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illegal immigration isn't green

Published Jun. 24, 2008

Something I am honestly confused about. I am not going to go into lines about hypocrisy or any of that mess. This is truly something I am trying to wrap my head around and understand.

 

Illegal Immigration and the Environment (Green Movement).

 

When I hear the environmentalist arguments about how illegal immigration effects the environment, all I hear are arguments about how building the fence at our southern border is a bad thing.  The environmentalist groups have even been waging wars via law suits and taken it all the way to the Supreme Court to prevent the fence.

 

Others take a different approach at pointing the finger, an even more intriguing argument: The border patrols actions of attempting to apprehend illegal immigrants crossing over is driving them into more wildlife and endangered areas.

 

Yeah – that one makes me scratch my head and wonder if they have thought that through.

 

Here is why the second group is upset:

 

The Bureau of Land Management estimated that illegals dumped more than 25 million pounds of trash in the Arizona desert between 1999 and 2005.  (approx 2100 tons of trash a year).

 

The accumulation of disintegrating toilet paper, human feces and rotting food has become a health and safety issue for residents in high illegal immigration traffic areas. Some is even threatening water supplies.

 

Birds and animals (some which are even endangered) die when they eat or become entangled in the trash.

 

In Arizona, there are more than 30 abandoned vehicles that are removed from Organ Pipe each year.

 

There have been more than 50 illegal roads found that were created by illegal immigrants and smugglers through the Ironwood Forest National Monument – and more than 600 abandoned vehicles found there each year.

 

In 2002 southern Arizona reported that illegal aliens were suspected of having caused at least 8 major wildfires that burned more than 68K acres.

 

In May of 2007, illegals set at least 5 fires in the Coronado National Forest over a 10-day period in an effort to burn out Border Patrol agents who were conducting law enforcement operations in the area.

  

Sadly the list grows. Cattle farmers along the border either lose their cattle when fences are cut and breeched and the cattle roam out or become tangled and have to be put down.

 

Those who think that the border patrols actions are driving the illegals into areas they shouldn’t be in are concerned because they don’t want this type of destruction and litter within preserves, monuments and protected natural habitats.   So, I have to ask, it is ok for this same destruction in other areas? 

 

It makes absolutely NO sense to me how a true environmentalist can look at these issues and decide to ignore them and instead focus on a fence – that could potentially STOP this destruction – or at best, reduce it. 

 

A fence is more of a threat to the environment over the above listed issues? What kind of sense does that make?

Border Patrols should stop all together so that the destruction of land and property is focused in areas that are easier for illegals to get to rather then dragging it into protected area?

What kind of sense does this make?

 

Wouldn’t it make more sense to stop the illegal immigration to prevent these environmental destructions all together?? And no - this blog doesn't mean that I'm all for a fence.

 

I just don’t get it……………………..

 

And for those who are going to come back with the same tired arguments like “there is no legal way for immigrants to come here” and “If your ancestors came into Ellis – your illegal too”…… PLEASE don’t even bother responding here until you have read my other blog : Legal vs. Illegal.   I have already torn your argument apart.

 

This blog is focusing on the environmental destruction of illegal immigration.

 



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in addition; The IRS should have known for years that two other men have been using Guenterberg's Social Security number.

It's unclear why both men decided to use Guenterberg's number or how they obtained it. The men had given their employers Guenterberg's number, presumably so they could work legally in this country. The employers reported the wages to the IRS using Guenterberg's Social Security number, thus linking the thieves to the Wisconsin man.

Thirty-two pages of IRS records that Guenterberg showed Public Investigator include dozens of financial transactions involving the three men - all tied to one Social Security number. Wages paid to Suarez and Jimenez from various jobs pop up frequently.

Suarez made at least $175,000 while working at McDonald's since 2003, records show.

Mortgage interest payments are listed among the IRS records too.

Jimenez paid nearly $14,000 in mortgage interest to Wells Fargo.

ABOUT PAYING INTO SS Try telling that to this guy in Milwaukee The men, Cornelio Suarez and Enrique Jimenez, have used Guenterberg's Social Security number to secure credit or work at various jobs in Illinois since at least 1999, according to IRS records and a credit report obtained by Guenterberg and reviewed by Public Investigator.

Jimenez owns a single-family home in Cicero, a town on the edge of Chicago where Al Capone moved to escape from Chicago police.

Jimenez even refinanced his mortgage - which is tied to Guenterberg's Social Security number - nine months after the Guenterbergs placed a fraud alert on Robert's credit report, the couple said. He's still fighting to clear his credit and everyone say's Oh thats ok, there trying to make a living...support there family and yet this guy cant even get standard credit because of these two.

I say we set that area on fire and see how many cross,lol

Just to reiterate my original point only as the way I see it: Trash and non-point pollution can be temporary. The fence is essentially permanent. That's all. Good blog, I hadn't read anything on pollution caused by those doing the border crossing until now.

pffft.. weigh - not weight

I am still on the fence (pun intended) as to whether I think a fence is a viable solution to our countries problem.

As to how it impacts the environment, I don't think it will at all. No more than how my fence in my backyard impacts the environment.

I know enviornmentalitst's primary concern is that it disrupts the migratory species who roam freely back and forth now. At least this is the only valid arguement I can find.

I look at this and weight the pros and cons. Killing and damaging wildlife and water systems vs disrupting a migratory pattern.

clearly one is worse and should be the focus.

The answer is: $100 Million

The question: How much money does it take for the Sierra Club to look the other way regarding the environmental effects of the Mexican invasion?

http://www.vdare.com/walker/050202_sierra.htm

wall...not qall. (sheesh)

Perfect scenario - Tall qall that can't be penetrated - and a door on our side that goes one way (SOUTH). Then, take all our undesirables who are born here and contibute to societies woes; along with the illegals and make them Mexico's problem.

I'd say let the minutemen take care of it.

I thought the fires would be an excellent solution for trash removal. But seriously, it seems that fire setting appears to be isolated incidents as opposed to some kind of desert fire pandemic sweeping the Southwest. Really, the "solution" to ending fire setting lies with ending illegal immigration. That is, taking lightning out of the equation...

Your thoughts on the fence's actual environmental impact?

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