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boy scouts sue philly over impending eviction

Published May. 29, 2008

By Pete Winn

CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer

May 29, 2008

(CNSNews.com) - The Boy Scouts in Philadelphia have filed suit against the City of Brotherly Love to keep the city from evicting the Scouts from a building they have occupied for the last 80 years.

Members of the Cradle of Liberty Scout Council say the city raised the rent on the building from $1 a year to $200,000 a year because of the Scouts' membership policies -- policies that require scoutmasters to be heterosexuals and require scouts to pledge to "do their duty to God and country."

"We believe the city is trying to punish us for exercising our First Amendment rights," said Mark Chilutti, vice chairman of the Cradle of Liberty Council, which filed its lawsuit on May 23.

The suit alleges that the city of Philadelphia lets more than 1,000 nonprofit groups meet on city property for little to no rent, including a Baptist church, a Roman Catholic church and the Philly chapter of the Colonial Dames of America.

Ironically, Chilutti said the Scouts actually built the building they are in, and gave it to the city in return for the right to lease it for $1 per year.

"In 1928, we were given the land by the city, and the council raised money to build the building," he told Cybercast News Service . "We believed we had it in perpetuity for as long as we continued to house Boy Scout-related programming."

The Scouts spend about $60,000 a year to maintain the building and periodically renovate it.

"After the initial gift of the land, the city has not put one penny into that building," Chilutti said. "The Scouts have maintained it on an annual basis. We have constantly done renovations - in 1994, we put over $1.5 million in it. We've put a lot of money into it, and we're proud of the building."

"We haven't really changed anything in the 80 years that we've been in that building. It's the city that has changed position," he said.

The Philadelphia City Council voted 16-1 in May 2007 to break its agreement with the Scouts, accusing them of "discriminating" against homosexuals who want to be scoutmasters.

The city did not return calls from Cybercast News Service requesting an interview, but City Solicitor Shelley Smith told the Associated Press that the Scouts are "free to exercise their First Amendment rights."

"What they're not free to do is get a benefit from the city while violating our policy," she said.

Peter Ferrara, general counsel for the American Civil Rights Union, said he thinks the Boy Scouts are being penalized for holding traditional beliefs.

"A state or local government cannot penalize an organization or a citizen for exercising constitutional rights," Ferrara told Cybercast News Service . "The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 2000 that the Scouts have a constitutional right to choose their adult leaders and not to hire adult leaders they don't want to, and the city cannot penalize them for those values."

Chilutti, meanwhile, said the higher rent would force them to cut programs, and is equivalent to the cost of sending about 800 needy children to summer camp, a point not lost on conservatives like Ferrara.

"Philadelphia has the highest murder rate in the country, one of the highest rates of violent crime. They have enormous trouble with violent youth gangs, teen-age pregnancy, teen-age drug use and dropping out of high school," Ferrara said. "What the city ought to be doing is supporting the Boy Scouts, as much as possible, to teach youth sound moral values, and to counter these terrible trends that are plaguing the city."

The Scouts, meanwhile, say that if they must vacate, the city should at least provide compensation, not charge high rent.

"The city has tried to use the term 'fair market rent' but it's really punitive rent -- $61 per square foot for a building that is in Center City Philadelphia," Chilutti said. "That's unheard of, that's ridiculous. It's more like Trump Tower in Manhattan rates."



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I'am so SICK of the gay community. They all need to move to BRAZIL

Isn't it interesting that those who feel discriminated against (the homosexuals) respond by dicriminating against those who they feel are discriminating against them. How childish. I hope the Scouts win so the message will be sent loud and clear that this kind of bullying in not effective.

The BSA needs to pursue this suit - enforce the contract or have the City of Brothers in Love pay the Scouts for all of their expenses in building and renovating the building. Shame on the leadership in Philadelphia - they need a good, Republican, council.

Cartman and dsickles, so the Boy Scouts should "sell out" (can't use the 'w' word on golo) the boys for a box of cookies like the Girl Scouts do?

In December 1928 the City of Philadelphia gave the Philadelphia Council permission to build a headquarters on city-owned land at 22nd and Spring Streets in Fairmount Park. The Scouts built their headquarters at their own expense and, complying with the terms of the agreement, immediately turned over the property to the city. In return they remained housed in their building rent free "in perpetuity."

So, why did the Scouts build on city property, because back in 1928 the city still had morals. The scouts held up their end of the bargain, but the city apparently can't hold up their own.

"Philadelphia has the highest murder rate in the country, one of the highest rates of violent crime. They have enormous trouble with violent youth gangs, teen-age pregnancy, teen-age drug use and dropping out of high school," Ferrara said. "What the city ought to be doing is supporting the Boy Scouts, as much as possible, to teach youth sound moral values, and to counter these terrible trends that are plaguing the city."

there is NO love in Philly these days...hasn't been even since the Rocky movies were made back in late 70's, 80's either.

Could the scouts counter-sue for the cost of previous renevations... I mean sueing the city for 1.5 million + should give them enough to get another building...

If the city is not raising the rent on the other charities, then I fail to see how they are going to defend raising the rent on this one group- regardless of their stance on homosexuality- they have been through that lawsuit already and won...

My hubby was/is an Eagle Scout, and our son is also in scouting. The Boy Scout Organization will stand firm on this issue.

Scout Oath (or Promise) On my honor I will do my best To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law; To help other people at all times; To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake, and morally straight.

Scout Law A Scout is trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, and reverent.

I am proud to be an Eagle Scout, and whatever the outcome of this trial, my only hope is that they don't bend on the principals that scouting stands for.

Why in the world would the Scouts build the building and then give it to the city if they intended to keep it for their own use for, basically, free? I don't understand! Why wouldn't they just build it and keep it for themselves? That would have eliminated all this mess.

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