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texas polygamists nightmare
Published May. 13, 2008You can say what you want about the legitimacy of polygamy. You can have your own views regarding the age of majority when it comes to marriage or engaging in sexual relationships. But you can not deny that the state of Texas has grossly overstepped their bounds.
AP news is reporting that the woman who gave birth to a baby on 29 April is not a minor as the state of Texas welfare officials have asserted. She is over 18. And the woman who gave birth to a baby on Monday is also an adult, in complete contridiction to what officials are stating. And in complete contridiction to the reason why those 400-plus kids were ripped away from their families in the first place.
This smacks of another Ruby Ridge or Waco -- government officials given the power to exercise complete control over people's private lives, tearing people's lives apart in the process. And it's gotten to the point where agencies like this all over the country need to be stopped either through rational persuasion, the force of law, or raw force.
They can take their choice.






































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May 14, 2008 9:26 a.m.
Try not to stretch so much next time.
GOLO member since August 21, 2007
May 14, 2008 8:29 a.m.
I will say that more harm has been done to the children by the State of Texas than by the two mothers.
How is it that the State still doesn't have some of the 'ENSLAVED' girls turning over their captors? Surely they could have used enough duress after all this time in custody by holding promise of reuniting with their children?
This is government acting on false tips and total contempt to deny citizens their rights in a most serious manner.
The media is ready to make the exaggerate the news to sensationalize a story about SEX, RAPE, BABIES, AND RELIGION.
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May 13, 2008 9:19 p.m.
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May 13, 2008 8:09 p.m.
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May 13, 2008 8:07 p.m.
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May 13, 2008 8:06 p.m.
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May 13, 2008 7:59 p.m.
I think no matter how you look at this situation, it was bad. While I hate to think of a bunch of children taken from their parents, honestly, in this situation, I don't know what the right answer would be except to remove all the under age children to prevent any futher/ future abuse. How do you just pick and choose who goes.
Based on all the accounts I have read, most of the "infants" were not seperated from their mothers because their mothers were the young girls removed from the compound as well. Very few of the "infants" removed were from older women.
But again, that's just second hand media informaion. SO I'm trying to see Steve's point while look at the childrens welfare as well.
GOLO member since December 18, 2007
May 13, 2008 7:57 p.m.
For the next two years, you are at the mercy of a handful of social services cretins who are convinced that because one of the ten homes was dealing drugs, that all the homeowners on the street must be involved.
I don't think that would fly with many people. But what is the difference? If a crime was committed, then the state has an obigation to present probably cause, arrest the criminals, and put them on trial in a speedy manner. If not, the state needs to get out of the way.
Or are you one of those who really believes that if someone in a given neighborhood is, say, raped that the state has the right to force everyone on that street to submit to DNA testing?
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May 13, 2008 7:38 p.m.
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May 13, 2008 7:14 p.m.
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