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driving while black ???

Published May. 12, 2008

Watch the video, then read the rest of the blog. And if you see blue lights behind you, be polite and non-confrontational. The law enforcement officer is just doing his job and there's no reason to escalate a traffic stop into a spot on the evening news.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibSwITK4jjQ

What is racial profiling? The most common example of police racial profiling is "DWB", otherwise known as "driving while black".  This refers to the practice of police targeting African Americans for traffic stops because they believe that African Americans are more likely to be engaged in criminal activity. 

While racial profiling is illegal, a 1996 Supreme Court decision allows police to stop motorists and search their vehicles if they believe trafficking illegal drugs or weapons.  More traffic stops leads to more arrests, which further skews the racial profiling statistics against African Americans.   Studies have shown that African Americans are far more likely to be stopped and searched.  Are African Americans really committing more crimes or are they just caught more often because the police target them?  This is a vicious cycle that even the strictest law enforcement advocates would admit is patently unfair.

What can you do if you are stopped?  Civil rights attorneys advise the following:

  1. Know your rights:  you are not required to give permission to police officer to search your car.  You can deny the request - but do so politely.

  2. Don't argue:  the police may try to intimidate you.  Do not be confrontational and provoke an argument.

  3. Get the names of the officers:  be sure to get their badge numbers, squad car number, license plate number, and make a note of the location and time of day.

  4. File a complaint if you feel you have been mis-treated:  contact the ACLU or other civil rights organizations for legal advice.



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This blog must have stirred the pot. I simply thought this was a subject that could stand the light of attention and I still nothing leading or misleading in this blog. If you feel like you have been mistreated by the police, there are avenues to take in a peaceful, civil manner. The Law is there for all of us to adhere to, citizens and police alike. The Law is there for each one of us regardless of our class, color or whatever. We are supposed to be equal under the law. (Which is why I totally disapprove of 'hate crime' legislation which gives a crime a harsher impact on one group than another group...which is Inequlaity in any way you look at it) In fact this blog has even spawed a "follow-up' blog which doesn't hold this blog in high esteem. :) We all have to say what we gotta say. http://www.wral.com/golo/blogpost/2872672/

"Great example. I wouldn't go stopping everyone or every group who looked Jamaican driving an SUV though. That would be a mess. There would still have to be some reason to suspect they were transporting dope beyond just that. If that is your only criteria for pulling folks over then I guess you just made the case for those against profiling." -yeahright3

The reason they were stopped would be speeding or some other infraction; the request for a search however, might be due to the vehicle speeding AND fitting the profile.

The fallacy that those against profiling commit is argumentum ad circulum. A disproportionate stop and search of minority drivers does not skew minority criminality. While it makes for sensational news stories, "hard" profiling (where race is the ONLY factor) is very rare, otherwise hit rates for minorities would be lower than for whites, and they are not.

What would you do as a highway patrolman if you had a DEA intel tip indicating a Jamaican posse who likes to use SUV's was transporting dope along I95? Does race come into play here?

Great example. I wouldn't go stopping everyone or every group who looked Jamaican driving an SUV though. That would be a mess. There would still have to be some reason to suspect they were transporting dope beyond just that. If that is your only criteria for pulling folks over then I guess you just made the case for those against profiling.

"Thinking about it for a moment, that would seem reasonable enough, but I think the other factors would probably greatly outweigh race in the equation. So, no I really wouldn't factor it in. If you met the primary criteria then the race issue probably is moot." -yeahright3

What other factors? The initial driving infraction that got you pulled over in the first place? The make and model of the vehicle? The direction of travel and the time of day leave a targeted area?

What would you do as a highway patrolman if you had a DEA intel tip indicating a Jamaican posse who likes to use SUV's was transporting dope along I95? Does race come into play here?

Thinking about it for a moment, that would seem reasonable enough, but I think the other factors would probably greatly outweigh race in the equation. So, no I really wouldn't factor it in. If you met the primary criteria then the race issue probably is moot.

"Thanks Harrison, I tend to agree with that myself." - yeahright3

Great. If you agree that police should target crime to increase their hit rate, then you also agree that the use of race as one of several factors when gauging criminal suspiciousness is a reasonable and valid means of increasing their hit rate?

Thanks Harrison, I tend to agree with that myself.

Cool Smoke. I should have read your response more carefully myself. I guess I can't multitask here too well.

"Just a question Harrison. If the answer is no say so. Not implying anything. Smoke, I made no interpretation, so how is there skew? I asked his opinion as opposed to assuming it.

If you are too defensive to answer I will retract the question." -yeahright3

I prefer as little "random" searching as possible; that infringes on our rights and is not effective police work. Instead, I want police officers use their judgment and experience to target crime and increase their likelihood of success.

yeahright3= I said I did not mean yours. It happens all the time but I should have known better comming from you. I was wrong, see it is not so hard...

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