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thoughts on the decline of intelligent debate in america

Published Oct. 12, 2007

 

The discussion was starting to heat up and the insults were starting to fly. The conversation had begun innocently enough as a disagreement over the Iranian president’s right to speak at Columbia University but had evolved into an all out rhetorical war. “The president is an idiot!” “Hilary Clinton is a communist!” “Republicans are Nazi’s!” “Global warming is a myth!” Just to name a few of the things said as the original topic became lost on the fray.  It was amazing to me how quickly things escalated to a pointless jumble of one-line jabs that sounded like a collection of the week’s worse talk radio rants.  Neither man heard the other and they each used the opportunity to vent simplistic retorts based on limited knowledge of the issues. As we watched the two red-faced friends flailing away at each other my son asked me, “Why are they so mad at each other? Weren’t they just joking around a minute ago?”  Yes son,” I shrugged, “But sometimes friends get on each others nerves.” “What are they even talking about?” He looked at me quizzically. I just shook my head, “I don’t really know and I don’t think they do either.”

 

Welcome to the world of debate in present day America where informed and reasoned discussion has been replaced with hot button based rhetoric. It’s easier to call George Bush an idiot then it is to provide details of policies he has implemented that you dislike. Comparing Hilary Clinton to the devil is more fun than studying her positions on issues and expressing intelligently why you disagree. I am the first to admit that I am ill informed on the details of some of today’s most significant issues. For that reason I tend to stay away from debating where I lack the knowledge to provide relevant argument. For example, I might have some thoughts about whether humans are causing Global Warming but my limited knowledge of the details of the subject leaves me without a strong position. That alone is enough to make me a denier in one camp and a radical in the other for not taking a firm position regardless.

 

So why has political discussion become so shallow at all levels?  Maybe there are too many outlets for opinion. Talk Radio, the Internet, cable and satellite television all provide a non-stop flow of information, some of which is flawed, misleading or just plain false.  That’s not to say that all of those venues are bad nor am I suggesting any kind of censorship. I just wonder sometimes whether they may be too much of a good thing. How many of the ideas and opinions floating around in peoples heads are the result of what is little more than gossip glossed over by a slick looking website or spouted by a sharp looking commentator?  How many biases about a person, place or thing are based on the railings of a talk radio chatterbox?   Perhaps my even suggesting that some of what is said on talk radio might not be the truth makes me a liberal loon who wants to bring back the fairness doctrine.

 

I also believe that our culture offers too many distractions for many people to stay well informed. We are a people who love entertainment and leisure and as long as we are comfortable with our lives we are content. Why else are voter turnouts so low? Barely 50% of eligible voters vote during presidential elections and far less for local or non-presidential elections.  Politics just do not interest the masses beyond where they perceive it to affect the daily lives. People get ideas and sometimes they express them loudly but for many people what’s for lunch today is more important than whom the next president will be.

While channel surfing several months ago I stumbled upon something that greatly inspired me to start thinking about this subject. Supreme court justices Antonin Scalia and Stephen Breyer were having a debate about some of the current issues pertinent to the court.  My first impression was amazement at the intellect of both men. In my more radical days in college I confess that I had viewed justice Scalia of something of a right wing redneck. Their vocabulary often went over my head and they both expressed opinions thoroughly and confidently.  I was also taken by the respect they had for each other, they even took time to playfully jab one another. These men were diametrically opposed to each other on some of the topics yet they both made compelling arguments where a listener could consider both based on fact not fluff.  If only we could hear something like this in a presidential debate as opposed to the canned and rehearsed responses the candidates generally produce. Sometimes when I listen to politicians express opinions I feel that they are insulting the American public’s intelligence with their careful and often open ended answers to questions. Then I wonder if maybe they are simply doing what they need to win in today’s America.

 

As for the two arguing friends; they stormed away from each other in anger but within an hour they were laughing together over a beer. After all, one of them hasn’t voted in years and the other always votes straight ticket.



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Thanks for all the great points! I know I'm not the only one concerned about this but I sometimes feel that way. Just listening to the conversations around me at work or other places sometimes leaves me wondering if anyone is really concerned about the important issues in and long term prospects of this country. It appears at times that subjects like Britteny Spears and Paris Hilton are just more interesting.

I sometimes ponder if perhaps one of the reasons the quality of debate has declined is because the interest and/or intellect of those interpreting it has declined as well. Are we as Americans reaping what we sow?

Lolly made an excellent point when she stated that lobbyists are running the country. I personally see little difference in the two major parties save the interest groups that fund them. As long as the publics interest is tepid, those who push just the right combination of buttons will retain or gain power.

I can't argue with what Bob said, So I'll call him a jerk instead.

The lobbyists ought to be the ones debating, they are the ones running the country.

yes you do have a sack of it!!

One of the most dramatic changes that I've noticed over the past 20 years or so is that the personal insults, mud-slinging, and just pure utter nastiness that used to be largely confined to the (_@_)-hole politicians has spilled over to rest of our society, to the point where we are awash in animosity towards each other. I would venture to say that probably the majority of the most intelligent and knowledgeable people in our country today rarely join the discussion, because the ugliness of it all turns them away.

There is winning and there is whining. People that don't like insults in a debate are idiots, swine and maggot infested liberals. Defend yourself or die a dogs death. These leftest commies make sick to my stomach. I vote for the winner. Everytime. Die pinkos!

"voting to me is picking the best of the two evils!!" --lynddsy

Yup. that about sums it up :-P

voting to me is picking the best of the two evils!!

i agree .milky! there's no debate when their trying to figure out the next insult instead of answering the question.

Great blog. I don't think debate stimulates any positive exploration of ideas. It's all about winning or having the last word. Presidential debates remind me of the eary Oprah shows. Whoever got to rock there head from side to side while making a slam wins the argument. Other that entertainment, there's nothing of any value to be gaind from debate.

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