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Giffords meets with gun control supporters in Raleigh

Posted July 7, 2013
Updated July 8, 2013

— Former Arizona Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords visited Raleigh Sunday as part of a nationwide "Rights and Responsibilities Tour" to highlight ways they believe tougher laws can reduce gun violence.

She and her husband, former astronaut Mark Kelly, are the co-founders of the gun violence prevention group Americans for Responsible Solutions.

After a trip to a shooting range, they held a round-table discussion at The Pit Authentic Barbecue in downtown Raleigh. Giffords' representative said the 14 participants were hand-picked gun owners.

"Gabby and I are both gun owners. I've served in the military for 25 years," Kelly said. "We are strong supporters of the Second Amendment."

But Second Amendment protections shouldn't stand in the way of common-sense gun controls, he said.

"In six months since Newtown, our national response has been to do nothing," Kelly said. "It's unacceptable."

Sunday's event, which was not open to the public, drew protesters, who said Giffords and Kelly's goal is to create a national gun owner registry and restrict private ownership.

"They own guns, but I don't believe they represent the majority of gun owners," said Rick Foster. "I sympathize with (Giffords), but I believe her efforts are misdirected. She's the victim of someone mentally deranged. Her efforts ought to be focused on helping to improve the mental health system."

Giffords was shot in the head on Jan. 8, 2011, when a mentally ill man opened fire at an outdoor constituent event at a Tucson, Ariz., grocery store. Six people were killed, and 13, including Giffords, were injured.

Pro-gun rights group Grass Roots North Carolina criticized the couple for sitting down only with members of their organization rather than reaching out to gun owners across the political spectrum.

The group, which last week offered 100 rounds of free ammo to the first person to track down where Giffords would be, also questioned why details of the visit were not released until Saturday morning.

"Why are they hiding from the gun owners they claim to represent?" the group said in a statement Friday.

Raleigh was the final stop on Giffords' and Kelly's seven-state tour, which started Monday near Las Vegas area, and included appearances in Alaska, North Dakota, Ohio, New Hampshire and Maine.


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  • dawg59 Jul 9, 2013

    Hey Junkmail5....get a job.

  • junkmail5 Jul 9, 2013

    But again- my idea doesn't even require a form 4473 AT ALL so I'm confused why people keep bringing that form up.

    In my idea you don't even need to bring the gun to the store. There doesn't even need to BE a gun.

    My idea simply allows a private seller to comply with the suggested new law by having any FFL perform an NICS check.

    Which again is a check of the PERSON, to verify they can legally purchase firearms.

    Nothing about the GUN is part of that check.

    So the idea it leads to some kind of "gun registry" is insane since there's literally NOTHING gun specific in the information involved.

    (and even the person info is not retained by anybody- it's generally a 30 second check on the phone that comes back with a yes or no and that's it...)

  • junkmail5 Jul 9, 2013

    Who has legal access to it? Can the government obtain access to it? Is a warrant needed?

    The ATF can, if a gun is used in a specific crime, and they have the make and serial number, begin a gun trace.

    Step 1. The ATF contacts the manufacturer of the gun with the serial #. The maker tells the ATF what dealer the gun went to.

    Step 2. The ATF contacts that dealer with the serial # and asks if they sold it to a consumer or another dealer- if a dealer they repeat step 2 until they find who sold it to a consumer.

    Step 3. The ATF then asks that dealer to check his paper records to find the 4473 specific to that gun, and tell them who purchased that gun.

    That's pretty much the end of the paper trail... and it's about as far from 'gun registration' as you can get short of nobody keeping any record of anything.

    the ATF can't just look up if random person A has any guns, nor do they have any master list of any kind concerning where all the guns are, or a way to create one.

  • Lightfoot3 Jul 9, 2013

    "it stays written, in a piece of paper, locked in a cabinet at the store you purchased from." - junkmail5

    Who has legal access to it? Can the government obtain access to it? Is a warrant needed?

  • junkmail5 Jul 9, 2013

    Lies without any substantiate method and forethought.
    NC Red Shirt

    You are writing words but they don't make any actual sense in the order you've arranged them.

    Right. The 4473 is the defacto registration. RKBA

    Except, it's not... because there's no registry that collects that info.

    it stays written, in a piece of paper, locked in a cabinet at the store you purchased from. It's not electronic, it's not searchable, nothing.

    And my expanded NICS system doesn't even USE a 4473, nor would it have any reason to do so.

    So you're making stuff up again.

    Repeating untruths doesn't make them become true.

    It's federal gun registration.

    But you're the one repeating untruths... there's literally NOTHING about the GUN contained in NICS checks. It's like claiming I'm forcing a car registration system on you by seeing if you have a drivers license.

    It's DEMONSTRABLY false and nonsensical, but you keep repeating it.

    So again- no ACTUAL objections to my ACTUAL idea.

  • sctech Jul 8, 2013

    I'll agree to any new legislation that does not affect a law abiding citizen.

  • Spock Jul 8, 2013

    "Without infringing anyones constitutional rights in any way at all." junkmail5

    Lies without any substantiate method and forethought.

  • stymieindurham Jul 8, 2013

    "Or did you purposfully fail to mention that one in your rebuttal? radiodj

    Can you not read. We are discussing the Gifford's fraudulent "round-table", not abortion.

  • Bartmeister Jul 8, 2013

    Wow. So many experts on this page but one thing is still crystal clear to me and should be to all. Nothing changes at the end of the day. So if you want or wanted something different than when this story published, you didn't get it, and most likely won't in the near foreseeable future. And for the record, I'm not say'n it's good or bad but some of these comments about what should be done just gets tired and old after about 10 hours of blogs. Go split an atom or cure a disease with your knowledge will ya?

  • Quagmire Jul 8, 2013

    No, just the illegal DWI roadblocks.

    No court has ever said these roadblocks are illegal.