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Garner highway route resurfaces in House

Published: 2013-01-30 13:32:00
Updated: 2013-01-30 16:04:51

One of the first bills filed as the state House reconvened Wednesday for its 2013 session would resurrect the hated "red route" option for a highway through Garner.

Lawmakers two years ago approved legislation prohibiting the state Department of Transportation from including the red route in preliminary studies for the southeast extension of N.C. Highway 540. The route would cut through 13 Garner neighborhoods and the town's primary industrial recruitment area and town officials complained the threat of the highway was hurting them economically.

When the Federal Highway Administration threatened to withdraw funding for plans to extend N.C. 540 because of the law, area planners voted last month to ask the General Assembly to repeal the law. The Army Corps of Engineers requires that at least two proposed routes be studied before it will issue an environmental permit to allow highway construction to begin, and federal officials want to compile statistics on the impact each possible route would have on homes, businesses and the environment.

House Bill 10, which is co-sponsored by Wake County Republicans Paul Stam and Nelson Dollar, would strip the language from a bill authorizing planning on turnpike projects across the state that blocked consideration of any route north of a DOT protected corridor for the N.C. 540 extension.

"We need to get that study done and completed so we can end that foolishness of thinking about running a toll road through a city. The sooner we get started, the sooner we finish," Stam said.

"Nobody has any ill will toward Garner. We love Garner," he said. "We think this is actually the best thing for the people around Garner – to get this over and done with."

The highway would add to the Triangle Expressway toll road in southwest Wake County and complete the loop highway around the county.

Other early bills in the House included one to allow guns in restaurants, provide compensation to victims of the state's former forced sterilization program and require anyone under age 18 to obtain a physician's permission to go to a tanning salon. Also, three proposed constitutional amendments were filed.

Meanwhile, one of the first Senate bills filed would exempt North Carolina from some provisions of the federal Affordable Care Act, while another would increase penalties for drivers who pass stopped school buses.

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"The first firearms-related measure to be filed this session would allow concealed handgun permit holders to bring their guns into restaurants where alcohol is served."

Just great. Now Bubba can go out and get just about as armed and drunk as he pleases.

Seems the toll authority has downplayed how much money they've been collection. Also helps they're putting out ads so that TV/Radio don't seem to care about such info.

"I live near Timber and Aversboro...if they do this route my neighborhood (from what I can tell looking at the maps) would be right on the edge of the Red Route...I hope they don't do it...they have another route that they won't use because of "enviornmental concerns"...so I guess a few frogs or something are more important than peoples' homes?" - anderson

"It is absolutely ridiculous and irresponsible that they are not finishing the southern loop before they begin on the I40 work this summer. I've yet to hear one person explain that timing. I guess it would make to much sense to expect it from the NCDOT." - claytontarheel

Sounds like you want to blame frogs or the NCDOT for our problems. But please ask yourselves: Which party now has complete and total control the NC state government? Which party could fix both of these problems right now with a single phone call?

would LOVE a more detailed map...and I wish humans were respected as much as mussels..

Nephesh,

Check here, the Turnpike Authority has all the information availble.

http://www.ncdot.gov/projects/southeastextension/

There is no detailed map. They are hiding the truth!

More maps here: http://movetheloop.org/wp/?page_id=45

Nephesh, here's a good map

http://www.stoptheredroute.org/map.php

Where is there a more detailed map of this? This one shows next to nothing.

Mark, no they can't and no they didn't.

The part of 540 west of I-40 that was free for a while was always going to be part of the toll road, that's why it was NC-540 not I-540 like the eastern portion. The section of NC 147 north of I-40 has no toll, the section south of I-40 was built as a toll road.

And again, the Red Route is a nonstarter. If the only route the feds would allow was the Red Route the state would pull the plug.

And I DO live very close to the Red Route corridor.

I guess Sen. Chad Barefoot has no pull with his Republican buddies. Maybe he just talks a good game.

"The Red Route appeared shortly after Collett was appointed to the NC Turnpike Authority Board of Directors. The proposed highway would bring thousands of people through his shopping center (White Oak) on a daily basis. Collett sold a large portion of the shopping center to Inland American for $95 million in August 2011. He still owns several pieces of land (over 100 acres) worth millions of dollars in the shopping center through Garner Land Company LLC and Garner Retail LLC. He recently acquired 3 pieces of land at the corner of 401 and Ten-Ten Road that will be just a few hundred yards South of the proposed highway that he owns through 401 & TEN TEN, LLC."

http://www.stoptheredroute.org/news.php

"The sad thing is that they really do feel we're as stupid as they think we are"

They have no doubt about that, look at who they elected as the last Governor.

It is quite possible that State DOT can do what they did when creating the tolled section of 540 now, take away free roads(south 147, existing 540 running to Rte 55) and just start tolling them.

How can they finish the eastern side if they don't have the southern route picked yet?

The red route defies common sense. Of course, government defies common sense too - which is why those of us in the path are so worried.

To the people who think the Red Route won't get built, would your opinion change if you knew someone stood to benefit financially from that route? In what appears to be a conflict of interest, John Collett, a member of the DOT board and the Turnpike authority board owns property along the proposed Red Route. See Dec 29, 2012 on http://www.stoptheredroute.org/news.php for the property

Can we name it the "screw the people of S. Wake toll road"?

While your at it lets toll all of 40, 540, 85, and 95.

I live near Timber and Aversboro...if they do this route my neighborhood (from what I can tell looking at the maps) would be right on the edge of the Red Route...I hope they don't do it...they have another route that they won't use because of "enviornmental concerns"...so I guess a few frogs or something are more important than peoples' homes?

@Enough is enough: This is 540 to I40, southern side. I assume you mean bring the northern side down, completing the eastern side of the loop.

With the 540 to 64 connection complete, the only large community left between 64 and 40 on the east side is Clayton. On the southern side, you've got Garner, Holly Springs and Fuquay Varina. Since Clayton is almost exactly 180 from 40 and RTP, it doesn't matter to Clayton which side is finished first.

If the goal is to get as many people as possible closer to a 4-lane divided highway en route to RTP, how do you get that the eastern side 'makes more sense' than the southern side?

"Pass the bill, this restriction was stupid to begin with. The road would NOT be built on the Red Route no matter what the feds want."

But there was also no guarantee the Red Route wouldn't be the one picked. If it's being studied, it can be selected and given government's predilection for picking the worst possible alternative as a "solution" to a problem, I'm not sure I'd want to trust the politicians to do the right thing.

There were plenty of other routes to study as the alternative to the protected corridor but those were taken off the table because they would have impacted the towns that coincidentally Reps. Dollar and Stam represent.

Quelle surprise.

The sad thing is that they really do feel we're as stupid as they think we are and for the most part, they're right.

Jeff-you are correct. Even the disfunctional Fed DOT would not want red route to be run-makes no sense to destroy that many homes and businesses. Get real!!

Common sense helps alot-oh-we're dealing with the fed-scratch that comment about common sense!!

I think Paul stam is going to find it a lot harder to fight Garner than he thinks it is. A lot harder.

Odd- when opening the most recent part of 540, DOT commercials claimed it was the last remaining toll section!

Do we get to tear down and pave over Paul Stam's and Nelson Dollar's homes if they are wrong?

"Nobody has any ill will toward Garner. We love Garner," he said. "We think this is actually the best thing for the people around Garner – to get this over and done with."

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Says two people who don't actually live in Garner nor have the Red Route ploughing right through their living room!

Why can't the Corps pick a completely different route elsewhere to "study" (waste money and time on) before picking the protected corridor that has been in place for 20 years that would disrupt the least amount of people?!?

It is absolutely ridiculous and irresponsible that they are not finishing the southern loop before they begin on the I40 work this summer. I've yet to hear one person explain that timing. I guess it would make to much sense to expect it from the NCDOT.

Garner is now going to get McSlaughtered by Pope's Puppet People. Enjoy the devastation as your neighborhood get plowed over so people can shortcut to Durham.

Pass the bill, this restriction was stupid to begin with. The road would NOT be built on the Red Route no matter what the feds want.

(of course what is REALLY stupid is the federal requirement for two routes!)

Who cares? Why dont the complete 540 to I-40 first? That makes more sense.

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