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Debt-cutting measure could mean fewer unemployment benefits

Published: 2012-12-05 05:27:00
Updated: 2012-12-05 06:27:09

Future unemployment recipients in North Carolina could receive fewer benefits under plans a legislative committee will review today.

North Carolina owes the federal government $2.4 billion the state has borrowed to pay first time unemployment claims. Under federal law, the North Carolina taxes companies pay toward funding the unemployment insurance system will rise in order to help repay that debt. Lawmakers fear those tax increases could be a drag on the state's economic recovery.

The Revenue Laws Study Committee, a group of House and Senate lawmakers, is expected to roll out a plan to repay that debt more quickly today (Wednesday). As the Associated Press reported last month, that proposal is expected to reduce the benefits workers receive when they lose their jobs.

According to a draft agenda, the committee will hear about plans to refinance the unemployment debt. Refinancing the debt could help pay it down faster, but it's unclear if the state has enough "capacity" to borrow the needed money.

Liberal activists worry that the deal, crafted by conservative lawmakers, will help avoid higher taxes for businesses at the expense of the unemployed. (See copy of release below).

“The changes to the unemployment insurance system being pursued by Revenue Laws Committee members will significantly reduce benefit amounts and the duration of benefits while doing nothing to address the long-term financial footing of the unemployment insurance system,” said Bill Rowe, director of advocacy at the North Carolina Justice Center.

But business leaders, including the North Carolina Chamber of Commerce, have pushed lawmakers to address this problem.

"The additional tax burden with a status quo repayment approach could represent an unsustainable increase in total unemployment insurance taxes for businesses, threatening what is needed most, jobs for North Carolinians," said Gary Salamido, vice president of government affairs for the North Carolina Chamber, in testimony to the committe earlier this year.

The committee meets at 9:30 a.m. If it does reccomend legislation, it will have to be heard and passed when the full General Assembly returns in January. Rep. Julia Howard, R-Davie, told WRAL-TV Tuesday that she expected lawmakers to take up a bill that is basically the same as what the committee will approve today.

Governor-elect Pat McCrory, a Republican, has said that addressing the unemployment debt one of his top priorities and something he'd like to do early in his term.

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"I am personally thinking about hiring a lawyer and sueing the government to get all my SS paid in for the last 46 years given back to me" Heavenly

wow.

nancy-"piene seems to believe that the rich have all the money to solve all the problems."

They could easily afford to pay say 39%(the old rate) rather than 35%. And capital gains tax rates could easily be 30-40% rather than 15% which is less than what the bottom 20% of our nation pays in TOTAL taxes. A progressive tax system recognizes that the poor and middle class have less disposable income.

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3505

"I work in a medium sized physicians' practice and we now have a pay freeze..also been told there are too many people in some departments..thanks mr obama for that obamacare garbage"-anderson

The cost of health care in this country is continuing to skyrocket. The purpose of the ACA was to try to cut those costs while, at the same time, provide more and better coverage to more people. Waste in many forms is rampant in the health care industry. I know because I work in that environment and see it every day. I also see monumental efforts within our company to cut excess costs while continuing to improve the care we provide for out patients, and we are making great progress. If you were told that you have too many people in some departments, guess what ... you probably do. While those excess people depend on their jobs to support themselves and their families, keeping them on just to keep them in is costing everyone. If we want to cut health care costs, we have to cut the waste.

Only the ignorant believes that "the rich" pay the lion's share of taxes. When looked at AS A PROPORTION OF ONE'S TOTAL INCOME, the rich pay significantly less of what they make in taxes than middle and working class people do.

Sure, they pay more in actual dollars, but that's less important when it comes to taxes than SHARE of one's income acquired. Mitt Romney paying 14% in taxes is more actual dollars to the system than the total dollars from some teacher's 30%, but the tax rate is still REGRESSIVE and favors rich people like him and Warren Buffett.

Oh Obama stole a lot more than that from Social Security and Medicare combined. Now apparently the SS system will not even be viable after 2033 and will be limping long before that time..

I am personally thinking about hiring a lawyer and sueing the government to get all my SS paid in for the last 46 years given back to me. Certainly is embezzlement as far as I am concerned. I was never given a choice about contributing that money every pay period and they took it out with a promise that I would get it back so they had no right to redirect or fund any other program with it!

piene2::::For starters, let us get the rich and super rich start pulling their share of the load.

What is their share and just who gets to say what their share is? Take the money perdue is pouring into the Dix property and use it for helping the state and it's citizens? Not just with the unemployment insurance, but with everything else. Funny how she can always find the money to do what she wants, but not for what we need!

"But I thought conservatives were *against* tax hikes!"

"Well, all you business owners on here get what you voted for."

I think some may need to reread the article, it's said they're pushing to cut unemployment benefits, so the business can keep more money. Some seem to forget that the rate was dropped when they thought there was enough money, then they robbed some of it, never raised the rate back to cover the drop. The Fed. goverment warned the state that their fund was in danger, before it collasped and they took no action. Puppets for Corp. welfare.

"Unemployment insurance has literally nothing whatsoever to do with income taxes. Your entire post makes no sense."

He's responding to a previous poster who claims the rich need to pay more (than the 50% they're at.) You need to quote and reprimand him...

"Considering the rich are already paying the lion's share of the taxes, Worland"

to quote Will Rogers, "If they did not have the income, they would not have the tax." And by the way, the rich and super rich often pay far less taxes than the vanishing middle class people do.

I'm sure the UE program has both administrative and substantive failings, but I've never seen a UE payment that compared favorably with the recipient's former paycheck.

We got to make major cuts because obamacare is looming and the 22 taxes will begin phasing in soon. And we all know obama stole 700+billion out of the medicare budget. Hard times are coming.

Tsk Tsk Tsk, such a great deal of negativity on this board. If you lose your job, either go out and find one, or go out and create one. The problem is too many people refuse to come down off their high horses. They have no job yet look down their noses at jobs "beneath" them. If you have no job, you might think about cleaning someones house, raking leaves or digging ditches. After all, hard working Hispanics have NO problem coming here and finding work, starting painting and landscaping companies and doing what needs to be done. Unfortunately many Americans who lose a job have neither decent educations, or lack the ability to adapt.

Be carefule UE has basically become an entitlement program, and you know how protective the deadbeats are about their freebies

They got to have their free money!

Unfortunately what got them in trouble was they changed unemployment benefits from a 26 week maximum to a 99 week maximum. The system was never designed for that. Now its hugly in debt. Step 1 would be to go back to operating the system as it was designed to be.

"Be carefule UE has basically become an entitlement program, and you know how protective the deadbeats are about their freebies" Crumps Br0ther

Veterans are deadbeats? elderly person are deadbeats? Disabled persons are deadbeats?

Keep it up, the right side is only getting smaller because of this mindset.

piene seems to believe that the rich have all the money to solve all the problems. That's the kind of thinking that leads this nation, is it any wonder we're in financial dire straits as a country?

unemployment was suppose to provide a small portion of the employee salarywhen between jobs, it was not suppose to 'support' anyone. At best it would buy groceries and maybe pay utilities and a very small mortgage payment and it was suppose to only last 6 months... Now it is apparently unlimited and you dont even have to look for work.. Just simply another 'welfare' program in place that has put NC in a LOT of debt to the feds. Wow, what great management of our economy in this state.

"thanks mr obama for that obamacare garbage" anderson

you should be thanking your boss, Obama didn't build that business, nor did he hire you.

Considering the rich are already paying the lion's share of the taxes, how about the bottom 50% who pay no income taxes chip in?- Worland

Wait... what?

Unemployment insurance has literally nothing whatsoever to do with income taxes. Your entire post makes no sense.

dave2345, you have to document everything so that when a terminated employee tries to get unemployment benefits, you have proof they deserved that termination. My daughter, when she lived here in NC had several times terminated employees for a number of valid reasons, she never once ended up having her company have to pay unemployment benefits. She was meticulous in her paperwork trail so that it satisfied the employment commission criteria. She also made sure that she got the employee to sign off on the documented issues.

In fifteen years I have not had to fire a person they fire themselves. Hopefully with a new Govenor he can straighten out this mess and maybe some of the people in the ESC will be looking for jobs. dave2345

Be carefule UE has basically become an entitlement program, and you know how protective the deadbeats are about their freebies

If they cut unemployment, Medicare or existing Social Security payments I guarantee that such a stink will be raised that the cuts will have to be reinstated, and rightly so. There are other places to make savings way before hurting those who need the above benefits. For starters, let us get the rich and super rich start pulling their share of the load. piene2

By the time the "rich" and "super rich" pay their taxes now, federal, state, and local, they are paying close to 50% of their income...they'll just put it in tax shelters if rates keep increasing...can't say I blame them...I'd want to keep the money I busted my rear end for too

If they cut unemployment, Medicare or existing Social Security........ piene2

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They? Hahaha, BO and his admin is doing that already. Medicare and SS will be gone soon and the promised job creations is.............well still being promised. From your tone, sounds like you're gonna have to get a job soon. Good luck and have a Great Day!!!

But I thought conservatives were *against* tax hikes!

Well, all you business owners on here get what you voted for.

I work in a medium sized physicians' practice and we now have a pay freeze...also been told there are too many people in some departments...thanks mr obama for that obamacare garbage

If the employees of the NC Employment Agency would stop just giving away the un-employent checks before investigating we would not have such a large un-employment rate as people would be forced to find a job. I know first hand on three ocassions in the last 6 months where they just awarded benefits after I gave them all the information showing they had not showed up for work on a regular basis or that they stole but here in NC you can get unemployment for that. When I went through Arbitration I was the bad one because I had to terminate these people. In fifteen years I have not had to fire a person they fire themselves. Hopefully with a new Govenor he can straighten out this mess and maybe some of the people in the ESC will be looking for jobs.

Considering the rich are already paying the lion's share of the taxes, how about the bottom 50% who pay no income taxes chip in? After all, Obama's tax increase on the rich would only generate about $80B a year... or 1/15th of his annual national debt. Turning back the tax clock 20 yrs and taxing the middle & lower class who no longer pay income taxes under our current system, would generate $400B a year. Time the lower class starts paying their fair share.

There is nothing to worry about here. All those jobs that Obama promised and keeps promising are just around the corner now so most of the unemployed are fixin' to go back to work.

"Imagine if they tried that for any other type of insurance..."

First, you realize that YOU, the employee, did not pay for that insurance and secondly, it was a tax program set up by government (state and feds) to force business to fund future unemployment.

Those are called 'regulations' and these are the kind of things when the feds and states decided to extend unemployment benefits well beyond the stipulated number of weeks (doubled down on businesses debt) spun the ratio out of whack.

Businesses have new expensive regulations to deal with every year, this year the biggest is the healthcare bill coming due on their books.

Watch unemployment go higher yet ...

"They were paying too-low rates for years, which is why the money had to be borrowed to pay claims."

No, we had a stagnant economy for how many years now? The rates were fine, until the government went on a massive spending spree of over extended unemployment benefits.

This was a given the minute Bev agreed to take the money from the feds to pay extended unemployment benefits, you know, doubling the length of normal unemployment benefits.

We can't complain now and no, I don't think this should fall on the businesses side of the ledger. for if it does, there are that many more than will lose their jobs and the cycle continues.

Stop the nonsense of 'extended' benefits (even though Pelosi stated that by extending unemployment it would be the greatest job generator ever, stupid woman).

"It injects demand into the economy, and it’s job creating. It creates jobs faster than almost any other initiative you can name." - Pelosi

""Sorry, you're only getting half your houses value because we had to pay a lot of OTHER people full-value claims a couple years ago"" - junkmail5

The program was intended to provide a nominal level of temproary income support for 26 weeks. The wise libs decided to extend it to a 2 year income replacement program (for the "stimulus" effect). Now we have to pay this welfare back.

True insurance rarely decides to provide 400% more in benefits than you orginally agreed to "just to be nice"...

"The proposal effectively reduces unemployment benefits by half. It reduces the maximum benefit - which is based on a worker's prior earnings - from $535 to $350 a week, and reduces the maximum term from 26 weeks to 20. That reduces the maximum benefit from $13,910 to $7,000."

If they cut unemployment, Medicare or existing Social Security payments I guarantee that such a stink will be raised that the cuts will have to be reinstated, and rightly so. There are other places to make savings way before hurting those who need the above benefits. For starters, let us get the rich and super rich start pulling their share of the load.

"well maybe work on a jobs bill and then you won't have to cover the insurance.....what are you waiting for?" SouthernPackerFan

"Jobs Bill" = Dem code speak for more giveaways with taxpayer money.

All that "stimulus" and "green energy" investment has really paid off in jobs and prosperity......

Our new UE Insurance rate for 2013 is DOUBLE last year. We have no claims or debits against our account. This will be a real burden for us and only add to the increasing cost of hiring and retaining employees.

Is that supposed to make us more willing to hire or keep employees? Or, is it just another reason to look at offshoring where you can or using subs when you can't?

Hopefully nothing. It is not the businesses responsibility. Its the responsibility of the person.- jhk0704

No, it's not.... unemployment insurance is an EMPLOYER cost, not the employees cost.

They were paying too-low rates for years, which is why the money had to be borrowed to pay claims. Thus that's the same folks who should see higher rates now to make up for it.

Certainly this is in part state fault as well- if you know in a recession you'll have to pay extended benefits then you ought have a tax rate that collects enough to have a reserve that covers that.

But making a big cut to future insured to make up for your past mistake is the wrong answer.

This is nuts... "We're going to cover the costs of our previous insurance claims by just paying out less to future claims"

Imagine if they tried that for any other type of insurance...

"Sorry, you're only getting half your houses value because we had to pay a lot of OTHER people full-value claims a couple years ago"

"The state has plenty of money. So much so that they can give away land to the wealthiest cities." - pdbullard

Yup, apparently there is money to burn.

The problem is borrowing money we can't repay. Should never have taken that path to begin with. LKG-Lover

Part of it is from the Keynesian economics we are taught starting in school. Our whole economy is dependent on consumer spending and debt. The whole "only spend it if you got it" mentaility went out the window in 1971 with the collaspe of Bretton Woods.

A place to start rebuilding would be to have sound currency.

I'll put my tin foil hat back on now.

Unemployed workers get a 50% cut. What are businesses going to pay to close the gap, caused largely by rates being too low before the recession?

Hopefully nothing. It is not the businesses responsibility. Its the responsibility of the person. Maybe now people will actually try and get back to work instead of miliking the system for all its worth.

Time to pay the piper..... and this is only State debt... just think what it will take to pay back about $16 trillion in our nations debt AND continue full funding of Social Security, Medicare and all those Federal employee pensions.

So what happened to all the money that businesses paid to the State of NC for unemployment insurance ? Let me guess, the NC government spent it and then borrowed money from the Fed's.

More proof that the federal and state governments cannot be trusted with the taxpayers money. The US is broke. Get ready for a fiscal crisis and collapse which will result in chaos.

I think we will see more and more of this, when you borrow bill come due. Obama what to borrow more and more, Perdue did the same. Hard times are coming because the bill are coming due. What going to happen when other countries decide the US dollars isn't worth the paper it written on? We have got to cut spending and stop the borrowing, it a simple fact. We pay now or we pay later.

Catch 22 - We borrowed the money and it has to be paid back. The government doesn't produce anything so they have to tax businesses which will impact job creation and potentially increase the unemployment liabilities. The problem is borrowing money we can't repay. Should never have taken that path to begin with.

The state has plenty of money. So much so that they can give away land to the wealthiest cities.

Just going to push for a rise in Welfare, medicaid and subsidies. Now the employers will be lowering the hourly wage because they know the jobs are few and far between. All those Obama-babies with the low tuition loans and a 4 year degree will be using that education to see if they want to up size that order for the next 4 years!! Luckily a recession will be the best out come and just may well put us into a depression with out the extra revenue available for the unemployed. Soup kitchens will be packed across the state!!! The crime rate will also see a spike!!

will help avoid higher taxes for businesses at the expense of the unemployed. (See copy of release below).

well maybe work on a jobs bill and then you won't have to cover the insurance.....what are you waiting for?

The proposal effectively reduces unemployment benefits by half. It reduces the maximum benefit - which is based on a worker's prior earnings - from $535 to $350 a week, and reduces the maximum term from 26 weeks to 20. That reduces the maximum benefit from $13,910 to $7,000.

Unemployed workers get a 50% cut. What are businesses going to pay to close the gap, caused largely by rates being too low before the recession?

The government should not be in the unemployment insurance program. And that's what this is - they force companies and employees to pay tax to buy into this insurance in case they need it. The government does this because of other entitlement programs it runs. It creates a ripple effect. The government now has a vested interest in how you run your life so you don't become too dependent on other entitlement programs.

Wouldn't hurt a bit, about time. have already got workers in the private sector thinking like public employees, they're OWED everything.

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