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Farm Bureau: Import field workers or import food

Published: 2013-02-27 16:54:00
Updated: 2013-02-27 18:34:28

The North Carolina Farm Bureau said Wednesday that a majority of farmers statewide are having trouble hiring qualified employees, and they asked lawmakers for support with immigration reform.

Farm Bureau officials and scores of farmers rallied outside the legislature, saying increased restrictions on migrant workers are limiting their ability to grow crops.

"We have to have the Spanish labor. Most all our employees are (Latino)," said Danny McConnell, a fifth-generation farmer in Hendersonville.

McConnell said his family farm usually grows 23 fruit and vegetable crops, but he is planting only four or five this year because he can't find enough workers to tend the fields.

State lawmakers passed a law two years ago requiring North Carolina employers with more than 25 non-seasonal workers to verify employment eligibility, and Farm Bureau officials said talk of tightening immigration restrictions further could put up to 10,000 farms statewide – 20 percent of the total – out of business.

"It already has had unintended consequences," Peter Daniel, assistant to the president for the Farm Bureau, said of the E-Verify rules, "and there are some in the General Assembly who would like to expand that."

Sen. Ralph Hise, R-Mitchell, said lawmakers are trying to balance other concerns with the needs of farmers.

"We're making sure they can survive and also making sure we're not a magnet area for bringing illegals into this state," Hise said.

Contrary to those who argue that undocumented immigrants take jobs away from unemployed Americans, farmers contend migrant workers are the only ones willing and able to do agricultural work.

"If you told me today I could no longer get those (migrant) people, I'd have to have to quit growing tobacco. It's that simple," Pamlico County farmer Scottie Whitford said.

Daniel called on state lawmakers to hold off on adopting any more immigration-related regulations and let the federal government handle immigration reform.

Hise said patience is running thin at the General Assembly when it comes to immigration issues.

"I think we're dealing with a Congress and a White House that's probably incapable of renaming a post office as they move forward, but that doesn't stop our needs here as a state to be able to do what's in the best interest of North Carolina," he said.

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@FarmersVoice I am sorry but you are putting a burden on the rest of us considering our tax dollars feed and provide heathcare, among other things for your workers. I was born and raised in Sampson County so I know a little about farmers. Our own country's citizens need jobs, we are just asking that the farmers try to help their own out first....we are the one's buying your product.

I also agree with many others making comments about the Prison & Jail systems being used for labor to farmers as well as construction and work on our highways, they are nothing but a burden to our society and our tax dollars. We don't only pay for them, but for their families also in some cases. Put them to work! And the ones drawing unemployement should not be able to turn down reasonable work as bad as times are for everyone today.....put them to work.

and they're breaking the law by hiring illegal labor.

I am certain that there are some illegal aliens working on farms , as well as many other industries........but most of the migarant workers, and latino workers in general are legal. Too many people just assume that all latinos are illegal, and that is just not the case.

There is no way lazy Americans getting a free check from the gov't are going to go out in a field and work. That's just silly to think. Republicans are really going to screw themselves on this immigration reform. The dems know how to "buy" the votes (amnesty, social programs, etc.). Once that latino vote is locked in (which it nearly is now), republicans won't have a chance.

THERE IS PLENTY OF FARM LABOR IN THE PRISONS AND JAILS. THEY SHOULD BE MADE TO WORK TO PAY THEIR CHILD SUPPORT, FOR THE OTHER CRIMES THEY COMMITTED, AND THE COST OF THEIR KEEP. IF THEIR MINDS AND HANDS WERE NOT SO IDLE CAN YOU IMAGINE THE CRIMES THAT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN COMMITTED. SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE BEEN TOO TIRED AND SLEEPY!!!

These comments are very discouraging. As a young farmer, I do have to abide by all laws that everyone else does. I pay more than minimum wage. I withhold taxes and pay unemployment tax. All my workers have to have legal documents verifying their eligibility to work. Everyone sent out by the ESC would rather do nothing than work the farm. There is a reason less than 2% of the population are farmers. People don't realize that farmers are price takers not price makers. We don't set the price for our commodities. We take the market at the time of sale. We can store some products and wait for better markets but that means not getting paid and the bills still come. All products can't be stored either. Also, the farm bill is primarily the SNAP program. Nearly 2/3 of the money in the farm bill goes to nutrition. Agriculture is less than one half of one percent of the federal spending. Please don't complain with your mouth full.

alshomes your comment is so true...let's put people that are on unemployement benfits out in the field working. I grew up in the fields and if lost my job tomorrow I would go back to the fields if I had too. Any job is better that no job, people would rather sit at home getting fat than working any job!!!

Import food it's cheaper.

Effectively we end up paying $9/quart anyway because of the expenses illegal aliens burden society with. -TVs_Deceit

OK. I'll play. But we're not just talking strawberries here. Look at ALL the produce in the grocery store. ALL the construction work being done. And besides......have you actually gone to a farm/construction site and asked any of the workers there if they are here illegally or not?

How many of them do you actually believe are illegal and legal?

If you suspect someone is here illegally why don't you go up and ask them or call the authorities?

"the farmers don't want to hire them [Americans]"

They'd hire Americans if they didn't have an option.

The reason illegal aliens are illegal is that they don't have a legal right to be here. The farmers are accessories to a crime. Farmers don't have a right to illegal labor, and they're breaking the law by hiring illegal labor.

Cut off their supply of illegal workers and farmers will hire American's all day every day.

Why don't they just hire the 30,000 illegal immigrant criminals Obama just let out of prison, in advance of the sequester. Obama swore to defend and protect the constitution, and the United States.....he failed.

xylem01: "The consumer ends up paying for the increased taxes/wages. Say $9/quart strawberries for an example."

What you forgot about is the additional attached costs for the cheap labor. Effectively we end up paying $9/quart anyway because of the expenses illegal aliens burden society with. The farmers get cheap labor, but everyone's taxes and fees and other associated costs increase.

We have to pay for schools for their kids plus accommodate them in multiple ways because English isn't their native language. If they get sick or injured they're most likely to go to the emergency room and run up bills they'll never pay. Social services like food stamps. Taking money out of the local economy because they send their wages back to their country.

The list goes on and on, which costs us all in the long run. It doesn't show up in grocery prices, but it shows up in other ways.

What xylem and Superman are really talking about is how immigration, trade laws, and gov't inattention/tinkering have destroyed the natural supply/demand rules.

Farm (and construction) labor has gotten cheaper because of immigrants - legal and illegal. This skews the price down - good for consumers until you consider the true costs.

We have to start with adequate protections for the farmer - importing cheap produce because labor costs are low cannot continue. We need to pay these workers a living wage, determined by supply and demand. This will raise prices for food, but the markets will balance this through wage increases price adjustments for other products - supply and demand will work if given a chance.

We then need common sense immigration law that allows a reasonable number of Latinos into the country and a streamlined process for them to legally immigrant and become citizens.

So the conservative solution is: Go on unemployment and get sent to the fields if you want a check. That about sum it up?

Truth is even if you took "slackers out of a welfare line" or they come to the fields of their own accord willing to work for $2 an hour less than Hispanics the farmers don't want to hire them. Most Americans not only won't but often can't perform as well field work as someone from south of the border.

"Farm Bureau is an insurance company"

Not much of one anymore. They're fighting to get out of consumer insurance as fast as they can.

"I agree, you have more state and federal agencies on your back than any other industry that I can think of". - 4Strikes

Know what they're doing on their back? Writing subsidy checks. Your supported, conservative version of welfare. OK for business, not for individuals.

I think it's hard for many to admit that most Mexicans typically work circles around Americans in construction and Ag. Just ask anyone who's worked in either field and they will reluctantly but almost always admit it.

american citizens wont do this type of work

4Strikes and you're still not out?

"My husband, myself and my children do these jobs and so can they, but they would rather write down that they came out to work and report back to unemployment and draw that check so they can sit on their behinds!" - Farm Hand

Thank you! As long as our government is willing to redistribute tax money in the guise of welfare, Food Stamps, and extended UE benefits without any requirement to work, US citizens will NOT do these jobs.

If you were faced with starvation or homelessness, or picking tobacco or cukes, you would get to like the great outdoors and a little sweat for a day's work. I have done it. As a young man, a hard day's labor made me feel good physically and mentally.

But today, manual labor is looked down on and considered only fit for brown spanish speakers...

Just because Farm Bureau says so? Seriously?

@NiceNSmooth, the farmers don't NEED them as much as they just want to pay very low wages. If the farmers want to stay in business let them pay wages and taxes to hire US born Citizens that are unemployeed and willing to work their farms to feed and provide for their families. Farmers are no better then any other business that has to pay fair wages, taxes and healthcare for their employees! Working4aLiving

And always remember and never forget.....the farmer's are passing their savings along to consumers. I'm sure they would love to pay a living wage to any worker they could find but keep in mind that cost to them WILL be passed along.

Ever stop to think how much that gallon of milk really costs in the store? Here's an analogy......You pay 1.35 for a 16 ouz bottle of water and don't think twice about it. Yet you WHINE to high heaven when gas goes to 3.70 a gallon. Multiply that 1.35 for that bottle of water by 8 (pints per gallon) and you get 10.80 for WATER. WATER! I'll say it

@NiceNSmooth, the farmers don't NEED them as much as they just want to pay very low wages. If the farmers want to stay in business let them pay wages and taxes to hire US born Citizens that are unemployeed and willing to work their farms to feed and provide for their families. Farmers are no better then any other business that has to pay fair wages, taxes and healthcare for their employees!

Working4aLiving

Your plan is great, unless you want to eat.

@NiceNSmooth, the farmers don't NEED them as much as they just want to pay very low wages. If the farmers want to stay in business let them pay wages and taxes to hire US born Citizens that are unemployeed and willing to work their farms to feed and provide for their families. Farmers are no better then any other business that has to pay fair wages, taxes and healthcare for their employees!

Is it they can't find the workers or they can't find ones willing to work for what they pay migrants? How many people collecting billions in govt free stuff could do these jobs? I don't think the word work has been restricted yet, has it?

ha ha I find it hilarious that FARMERS are now saying they need the illegal immigrant. Now you cant get more red neck than a farmer in NC .... and for them to admitt our economy needs them is great!!!

Better start treating these people a lot nicer when you see them out!!!

If you let them in for one group tomorrow another company will be in Raleigh crying that they need the illegal immigrant help for their comapny to operate. If one get's them then you'll have to let them all get them, back to where we are now. Send the farmer to the Unemployment office, let him hire some help that their unemployment has run out.

So....let's let the farmers keep their CHEAP workers because they don't want to pay fair wages and while we are at it let's bring more illegal immigrants across the border to help them and the one's of us that actually pay taxes and our own healthcare can feed, house, provide healthcare and provide educations to them and their children. Our unemployee rate is out of control, but instead of providing jobs to our own and paying them (fair wages)....our farmers are begging to keep the cheap illegal immigrants. And we wonder what is wrong with the US today.

@xylem01: Nailed it.

Maybe they could attract workers by increasing their pay. - superman

Bet this would be like raising taxes. The consumer ends up paying for the increased taxes/wages. Say $9/quart strawberries for an example.

Sounds like most here want their cake and eat it too. Can't have it both ways. Same with Wal-Mart, Made In China, imported from *insert country here*.

No solution.....just rinse and repeat!

If you're unemployed and reading this, here's a job for you!!

"The farmers cannot get employees because they wages they offer are too low to employ anyone but the desperate. pay and they will come....people happily work in horrendous conditions if he pay is right." Grand Union

" A well regulated scheme would make it easy for both farmers and workers to stay within the law. The farmers get rich using cheap labor and the labor gets to eat for another year and we get cheaper lettuces....." Grand Union

Those evil rich farmers are only paying $10. an hour, plus housing...that's the problem. Liberals have never seen an American business that they don't hate. It's government run or nothing for them.

"george bush said yall americans were to LASY to do those kind of jobs.. of course bush also said he had won the war in 2005 as well...." wildpig777

There you go farmers...it's all Bush's fault. An old classic from liberal fantasy land.

Yes, the work is hard and it is appreciated. But instead of importing workers, why not send lower risk inmates, under guard of course, to harvest the fields. Bring back the old chain gang if you will and you will have a ready labor supply. It may not solve the whole problem, but it would certainly help.

"So open up the gates- Let all Illegal immigrants in , give them US citizenship and welfare benefits [ you know they don't make much, and "Free" ObamaCare too."

Thats not what they are asking for. The big farmers want to be able to bring in cheap labor when they need it and send them home when they are finished with them. Its because they can't do that easily so many illegals come in to do the job and then they stay....and why wouldn't they.....life is hard back home and why risk not being able to get back next year? A well regulated scheme would make it easy for both farmers and workers to stay within the law. The farmers get rich using cheap labor and the labor gets to eat for another year and we get cheaper lettuces.....

The farmers cannot get employees because they wages they offer are too low to employ anyone but the desperate. pay and they will come....people happily work in horrendous conditions if he pay is right.

if you have not been involved in farming in recent years...then you don't realize the value and hard work of these workers in question.

"We have to have the Spanish labor. Most all our employees are (Latino)," said Danny McConnell, a fifth-generation farmer in Hendersonville.

Really, They are from Spain ? long trip to pick crops.

So open up the gates- Let all Illegal immigrants in , give them US citizenship and welfare benefits [ you know they don't make much, and "Free" ObamaCare too.

We need another 100-200 Million on welfare

george bush said yall americans were to LASY to do those kind of jobs.. of course bush also said he had won the war in 2005 as well....

"One question? How on earth are these ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS more qualified to do these jobs than American citizens are?"

By the fact that they will do it and will show up every day, not hungover, and will never complain. - I used to be in concrete construction.

If they need more than 25 full time workers they must have a large operation. Maybe they could attract workers by increasing their pay.

One question? How on earth are these ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS more qualified to do these jobs than American citizens are? Can someone answer that one for me? I don't waant to hear that tired old line about "Americans won't do that", I want to know simply how they are more qualified. This sounds like an excuse for illegals to come into the country. And the Farm Bureau sounds vaguely like it's making a threat there.

"Farm Bureau is an insurance company whose main function has become a political action committee to further its own agenda. Used them for a while when I farmed, but was being used more by them in the long run."

Actually you have it backwards.

now we know who brought the immigrants here and why they came and they all should be allowed to become citizens

Farm Bureau is an insurance company whose main function has become a political action committee to further its own agenda. Used them for a while when I farmed, but was being used more by them in the long run.

Why not put our prisoners to work? They used to be made to work on the highways. Farmers could pay with their food or money for their prison and others in the community on low incomes. Sounds like a good idea to me!

There's lots of labor in the welfare line. - Insane in the left lane

May be true but how can you *make* someone work?

xylem01

quit giving and you will see.

I worked in the fields why I was young b/c my parents would not give to me. If I wanted the money to go on the weekend to the beach with friends. I had to get out and earn the money or stay home.

What the problem is, is that instead of having a low income work force we have given welfare, food stamps low income housing and Medicaid to them for free. So now why would they work? The low income workers would be going backwards financially. Then the illegal aliens come in and take their place. Now we have paid with tax payer money to eliminate a workforce and create another burden on the tax payers of America. Now we have 3 problems created by giving tax payer dollars from one class to the next.

There's lots of labor in the welfare line. - Insane in the left lane

May be true but how can you *make* someone work?

""grimreaper" or whatever - you are apparently one of the new Republicans who don't buy in to fact-based information?" Gork

And you are apparently an old Democrat who operates on a platform of lies and deception. Read what the farmers on here have to say.

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