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Electors resist protests, validate Trump presidency

Posted December 19, 2016

— And you thought Election Day was in November.

Electors are set to gather in every state on Monday to formally elect Donald Trump president even as anti-Trump forces try one last time to deny him the White House.

Protesters gathered at some state capitals, but they are unlikely to persuade the Electoral College to dump Trump. An Associated Press survey of electors found very little appetite to vote for alternative candidates.

About 100 people circled the North Carolina State Capitol Sunday night, holding signs that read "Vote your conscience."

North Carolina's 15 electors walked from the NC Museum of History Museum at 5 East Edenton Street to the Capitol to cast their votes Monday at noon. Under state law, all electors are members of the party that won North Carolina's popular vote and all are expected to vote for Trump.

North Carolina is one of more than two dozen states with laws that attempt to bind the votes of presidential electors. In the state, any elector who switches a vote is subject to a $500 fine.

Several dozen people gathered outside South Carolina's statehouse Monday morning, waving signs with messages imploring electors not to back the president-elect.

Vermont was the first state to report the results of its vote. As expected, all three electors voted for former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

Republican electors say they have been deluged with emails, phone calls and letters urging them not to support Trump. Many of the emails are part of coordinated campaigns.

"The letters are actually quite sad," said Lee Green, a Republican elector from North Carolina. "They are generally freaked out. They honestly believe the propaganda. They believe our nation is being taken over by a dark and malevolent force."

Wirt A. Yerger Jr., a Republican elector in Mississippi, said, "I have gotten several thousand emails asking me not to vote for Trump. I threw them all away."

A joint session of Congress is scheduled for Jan. 6 to certify the results of the Electoral College vote, with Vice President Joe Biden presiding as president of the Senate. Once the result is certified, the winner — likely Trump — will be sworn in on Jan. 20.

NC electors march

The Electoral College was devised at the Constitutional Convention in 1787. It was a compromise between those who wanted popular elections for president and those who wanted no public input.

The Electoral College has 538 members, with the number allocated to each state based on how many representatives it has in the House plus one for each senator. The District of Columbia gets three, despite the fact that the home to Congress has no vote in Congress.

To be elected president, the winner must get at least half plus one — or 270 electoral votes. Most states give all their electoral votes to whichever candidate wins that state's popular vote. Maine and Nebraska award them by congressional district.

The AP tried to reach all of the electors and interviewed more than 330 of them, finding widespread aggravation among Democrats with the electoral process, but little expectation Trump would be derailed.

Some Democrats have argued that the Electoral College is undemocratic because it gives more weight to less populated states. That is how Hillary Clinton, who got more than 2.6 million more votes nationwide, lost the election to Trump. Some have also tried to dissuade Trump voters by arguing that he is unsuited to the job. Others cite the CIA's assessment that Russia engaged in computer hacking to sway the election in favor of the Republican.

"When the founders of our country created (the Electoral College) 200-plus years ago, they didn't have confidence in the average white man who had property, because that's who got to vote," said Shawn Terris, a Democratic elector from Ventura, California. "It just seems so undemocratic to me that people other than the voters get to choose who leads the country."

NC electors vote for Trump

But despite the national group therapy session being conducted by some Democrats, only one Republican elector told the AP that he will not vote for Trump.

There is no constitutional provision or federal law that requires electors to vote for the candidate who won their state. Some states require their electors to vote for the winning candidate, either by law or through signed pledges. But no elector has ever been prosecuted for failing to vote as pledged, according to the National Archives.

Those laws are rarely tested. More than 99 percent of electors through U.S. history have voted for the candidate who won their state.

Electors are selected by state parties, and so are often insiders who can be trusted to vote for the party's candidate. Many Republican electors said they feel duty-bound to honor their pledge to vote for the candidate who won their state, regardless of how they feel about Trump.

Still, some anti-Trump activists have been getting creative in trying to persuade electors to dump Trump.

In addition to thousands of emails, Republican elector Charlie Buckels of Louisiana said he received a FedEx package with a 50-page document that the sender said "had absolute proof that the Russians hacked the elections."

"From the tenor of these emails, you would think these people are curled up in a corner in a fetal position with a thumb in their mouth," Buckels said.


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  • Jacob Young Dec 19, 2016
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    So all the U.S. intelligence agencies agreed that Russia is responsible for Trump being elected? You mean the same intelligence agencies that were so wrong about WMDs being in Iraq - the same people that got us bogged down in a terrible war????

    It's amusing to witness the gullibility of the sheople. Twelve - ten years ago the CIA was the libs sworn enemy. Now the CIA is their best friend. You people should be embarrassed at how easily you can be used as political pawns.

  • Malakai Bluebone Dec 19, 2016
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    "Mr. Grace. Time to read more news:
    "The CIA has concluded in a secret assessment that Russia intervened in the 2016 election to help Donald Trump win the presidency." That got confirmed by the FBI and 15 other US intelligence agencies."

    The CIA has concluded in a secret report....
    No need to read any further than that. How secret is it if the AP is posting stuff about it everywhere? So secret, yet 15 other intelligence agencies also secretly confirmed it?

    If Russia actually intervened in the election have you taken the time to figure out how? Have any of the reports about it noted how? Nothing has been found of any actual hacking of the voting machines or in the process. So where was the intervention? Perhaps all the emails that were taken from Hillary herself and the DNC? But they said it was an insider of the DNC that released all that. So where then?

    Just a Democrat party who's lies are trying to undermine a legitimate President.

  • Bernard Grace Dec 19, 2016
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    No Pete: "sources," within certain intelligence communities made that claim. As sad as it may be and even more disconcerting there are Democrats in the FBI, CIA and NSA. Further can you give me exact examples of WHERE the computers were hacked and HOW they changed the votes? The electors are voting with their conscience to overthrow the elector system would be treasonous and unconstitutional. President Trump confirmed 12-19-16, it is morning in America again:)

  • Pete Muller Dec 19, 2016
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    The entire intelligence community confirmed that Russia manipulated our presidential election. The constitution asks from the electors to vote with their conscience in order to avoid a direct foreign influence onto the US presidency. If the electors rubber stamp this year's election results as just a normal election, they fail their constitutional duty and make themselves obsolete. That would be another blow to our democracy.

  • Stacy Mercier Dec 19, 2016
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    I agree - threats are never okay. People who threaten others via phone, mail, or internet should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law available.

    That said, I think it's very sad that the electors in this state are okay with voting for a man who is obviously not ready for or worthy of the presidency, and who lost the popular vote in this country by nearly 3 million votes.

  • Judy Loftin Dec 19, 2016
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    The electors who received death threats need to report them.

  • Bernard Grace Dec 19, 2016
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    I demand that the FBI investigates death threats against the electors, and prosecute!