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Dems call for ban on 'pink stripe' licenses

Published: 2013-03-04 18:23:00
Updated: 2013-03-04 19:58:17

House Democrats spoke out Monday in support of a bill prohibiting the state from issuing distinctively marked licenses to young immigrants allowed to be in the U.S. under federal Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program.

DACA allows a two-year block on deportation for immigrants who were brought to the country illegally as children, who are in or have completed school or are in the military and who have no criminal record.  

After DACA was implemented, the state Division of Motor Vehicles asked for an official opinion on the matter from state Attorney General Roy Cooper. 

Once Cooper advised that DACA immigrants are legally eligible for licenses, Transportation Secretary Tony Tata announced he would begin issuing them, but only with a special design that includes a bright pink stripe across the top and with the words "NO LEGAL STATUS" imprinted on them.

House Bill 184 would ban the state from using the special design.

"We are the only state where there's a proposal on the table, supported by the governor, to have this sort of pink stripe" said sponsor Rep. Paul Luebke, D-Durham.

Under Luebke's proposal, licenses for DACA drivers would look like other licenses but would be set to expire at the end of their two-year grace period.

"The solution is simply to realize that these young people are legal," he said. "They should be treated like everyone else." 

Rep. Rick, Glazier, D-Cumberland, said the "pink-stripe license" would stigmatize the holder every time he or she has to produce it. "It serves no legitimate state purpose," he said. 

Millbrook High School graduate Jose Rico has lived in the U.S. for 10 years and would be eligible for a license under DACA.  He called the special license a "scarlet letter."

"The state is outing us, putting us in a box that we are illegal when we do hold legal presence here in this state to work and, now, to drive," Rico said. 

Rabbi John Friedman of Judea Reform Congregation in Durham said he couldn't imagine what supporters of the special license were thinking.

"All I can imagine is that they could not see in the faces of young people like this the faces of their own children," said Friedman. "Would they deny their own children hope?" 

The measure faces long odds in the Republican-dominated legislature. McCrory has called the special license a "pragmatic compromise," saying DACA licenses must be visually distinct to make sure the license holder can't register to vote or access government services.

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"Do you ever drive over the speed limit? B/c under that last bit, according to your logic, if you disrespect that law, you can't respect any laws."

The difference is I'm not rewarded if I drive over the speed limit. At the very least, I get a warning and that still isn't a benefit. But usually, you get a ticket, have to pay a fine, receive points and have higher insurance costs as a result. So I respect speed limit signs. Sadly, most people have flawed logic.

So don't make it pink, make it a band of colors from whatever country they are from. It's only reasonable and proper we make it clear that these people are not citizens.

And comparisons to the Nazi pink triangles are disgusting and evidence of the people making the comparison being brain dead... it's also really insulting to the Jews persecuted by the Nazi's.

"To the person in the story that said the pink stripe was like a "Scarlet Letter": You are mistaken my friend. The scarlet letter was a red A for adulterer. It had nothing to do with legal immigration status." - Beachboater

*sigh* *SMH* Was not the scarlet letter a way to mark someone so that the community would know what they had done and cause ridicule and shame to that person? You really shouldn't take things so literally. You certainly missed the mark with that comment. I believe the correct term is simile.

.If you are younger than 60 and have been on welfare for the majority of your life, you shouldn't have a license at all- GodBless

More ignorance.

The maximum LIFETIME length of welfare benefits is 5 years.

In your entire life.

Unless you're under age 10 it's impossible for you to have spent most of your life on welfare.

And if you are under age 10 you don't have a drivers license anyway.

Once again people twist words to meet their own ideals... Yes it is AGAINST THE LAW to employ an illegal alien... The deferrment you refer to allows people who have APPLIED FOR CITIZENSHIP to work... NOT ILLEGAL ALIENS!!- torchhappysean

See, now you're simply lying.

DACA does not involve being legal, or becoming legal, AT ALL.

But it DOES allow illegal aliens under the program to LEGALLY WORK in the US.

http://immigrationequality.org/issues/immigration-basics/daca/

"The grant of deferred action does not grant legal status to an applicant. In addition, it does not cure such applicant’s previous periods of unlawful presence"

So they're STILL illegal.... got that?

"Every individual who is granted deferred action will be lawfully permitted to work."

So they are STILL ILLEGAL.

But allowed to LEGALLY work in the US.

As much as I agree that they have a legal status, it's a *specific* legal status. We put other markings on licenses to denote other specific legal statuses (age). Heck, even mine has marking saying I need corrective lenses when I drive (not a legal status, but a stipulation for driving).

I think the bright pink is a bit over the top, color-wise, though.

When they pull it out, anyone within eye shot will easily see it and immediately have a political reaction with possible physical ramifications. That's not smart. Pick a different color to denote that they have a specific legal status.

Pink stripe is a great idea - I would not feel comfortable with an illegal having a "regular" license.

what happened to you that made you so hateful of children? Grand Union

And yet you support abortion. Why are so hateful of children?

"So do you appologize to American Indians on a daily basis too? You are after all living on their land. Do you pay what's owed them?" - OGE

American Indians didn't believe in land ownership, so they didn't lose any land.

so if we cant blame them for being here because of something their parents did, then The Community needs to drop this whole reparations thing

No making people carry different licenses undermines respect for the law.- Grand Union

Huh?

We _already_ made under-21 drivers carry a difference license.

How did that undermine respect for the law?

Same thing here. It's a reasonable requirement for a license to immediately, visually, convey it's not valid for at least one thing a "regular" license normally is valid for.

Again not true.... They can apply for a te3mporary visa while they are waiting for a judgement on their status to become legal rewsidence- torchhappysean

The Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 states that if you entered illegally, and have been here for 1 year or longer, you are banned for 10 years.

Most folks need to return to their home country to get a legal entry visa.

Thus they'd be banned for 10 years from returning.

If you know a program where illegal children can apply to become legal WITHOUT that, please name it/provide a link. (DACA isn't it)

Blame your parents kiddies. They introduced you to a life of criminal behavior no matter how you look at it if they came here by braking the law.

The comparison to the Holocaust is a testament to moral cowardice. http://www.americavictorious.com/2013/03/04/nc-dems-wral-rabbi-friedman-confuse-legality-with-well-illegality/

They should be deported.

As long as they learn how to read and speak English, and learn the rules of the road and how to drive, I don't have a problem with this.

Why does the headline not read “NC leads the way to combat fraud against the government”

"It shows you can be rewarded for breaking certain laws. We punish people for receiving stolen goods, yet we roll out the red carpet for illegal kids (WIC, welfare, driver licenses, etc.). This undermines respect for any laws."

Do you ever drive over the speed limit? B/c under that last bit, according to your logic, if you disrespect that law, you can't respect any laws.

The young people who are covered by this federal law did not break any law any more than a passenger in a speeding car has broken a law. Their parents broke a law. We are appropriately providing an opportunity for those young people to work toward citizenship in the only country they've ever known. It's not automatic. There are hoops they have to jump through. One such hoop includes obeying the law.

Not really... you can not apply to become legal, currently, if you are here illegally. So these people who have been here since children would need to self-deport themselves to countries they have no memory of, know nobody in, and may not even speak the language of... then wait TEN YEARS... -then- they have the option to legally apply to come back....junkmail5.... Again not true.... They can apply for a te3mporary visa while they are waiting for a judgement on their status to become legal rewsidence... It is done all the time.. There is ALWAYS an option for people who want to be here....

If the goal is to facilitate a job and go to school, then whatever color the license is should not matter. Now if they want to pass for legal citizens and vote, then of course the color would matter. If you're under 18 your license has a BIG "UNDER 18" printed across the top to make it harder for those under legal age to buy products or get into establishments not legal for them to do. What's the difference to a pink stripe to ensure folks don't access other things they are not legally eligible to do. Life is full of embarrassments and consequences -- we have to own up to the ones we have, like them or not. Perhaps the pink line could be smaller, but as someone that has worked in elections, there HAS to be some distinguishing factor.

You can't travel internationally on a NC drivers license. You need an actual passport unless you are on what is known as a "closed loop" cruise.

atheistswillrule March 5, 2013 9:16 a.m____________________I've been to Mexico and Canada many, many times, and all I showed was my NC drivers license. Which is the only two countries I was talking about. For France, italy etc, I've had my passport. Rebelyell55

Clearly you have not been recently..the Canadian border requires a passport now.

"Every individual who is granted deferred action will be lawfully permitted to work."....junkmail5.... Once again people twist words to meet their own ideals... Yes it is AGAINST THE LAW to employ an illegal alien... The deferrment you refer to allows people who have APPLIED FOR CITIZENSHIP to work... NOT ILLEGAL ALIENS!!! Those who are granted the defferment you quoted are documented and have to pay taxes just like everyone else.. The ones that are ILLEGAL pay no taxes and are usually paid in cash under the table which they send back home thereby taking away from our economy...

We should just bus you back to Mississippi. Your cousins ( parents) are waiting. atheistswillrule

Is that the only retort you people have? You obviously moved to N.C. because it is better than the dead-broke, crime-infested, frozen Yankee cesspool you came from or because you couldn't cut it up there in the "Big City". Trying to force your Chris Matthews/Rachel Maddow agenda on us is one thing, but your only comeback to the popular opinion of people who have lived here for most or all of our lives is to call us incestual hillbillies? I feel sorry for you. It must have been hard on you to be the smallest fish in the big pond up in NY/Boston/etc. You picked up and moved down here and told your former neighbors it was because you wanted warmer weather and cheaper home prices. They knew, and so do we, that the real reason was because you couldn't hack it up there or you probably got laid off. Calling us hillbillies only shows your ignorance. We accepted you when you had nothing.

Leave it up to them Dems and we will have to give our homes to all the illegal aliens. Do they really want to get votes that badley that they would want to endanger the American People.

I've been to Mexico and Canada many, many times, and all I showed was my NC drivers license.-Rebeleye55

A drunken weekend in Tijuana with a mule and a pinkie toe over the border at Niagra Falls doesn't really count sugar. Those laws changed 5 years ago.

I call for a ban on Dems....

"The solution is simply to realize that these young people are legal," [Rep. Paul Luebke, D-Durham] said. "They should be treated like everyone else."

They. Are. Not. Legal.

"Color coding the license so the Officer that stops them automatically knows certain information is standard practice"

What does citizenship have to do w/ most traffic stops? Why do LEOs need THAT info? It's not relevant to the stop, and could absolutely be abused. Police are human. An objectionable bumper sticker could be the difference between a warning and a ticket. If an LEO has strong, political feelings about immigration, the pink border could influence decisions in irrelevant ways that are to the disadvantage of the federally approved non-citizen driver.

""Before all this "illegal" coddling started, did NC not have a different color coded drivers license for drivers under a certain age?"

I had the same thought. I thought the background color in the driver's license pics were different due to age, or disability?" - Lolly

Lolly, they have a different color for people under 21 so that one has to fake the whole colored section of a license as well as the date of birth. That is if people are even able to alter the new licenses and keep them looking real. Marking an under age person is not the same as marking a person who was brought to this country as a child and had no control over their legal status. If you were in their shoes, how would you feel about being labeled an illegal alien when you had no control over your parents bringing you here. It's one thing to make that choice on your own, and it's another to have no choice in that decision.

Illegal is illegal-what part of that do you not understand?? Rules are rules-law is law!!! Yes-the left wants them for voters!! Insurance from defeat!!

DO it-make them identified to LEO's readily!!

I cannot wait for the Democrats to come up with a law/regulation (they seem to be VERY good at those) to make it illegal and a FELONY Criminal offense for citizens who own homes, not to take in illegals and care and feed them, and let them live in their homes for free....................oh did I write that...............uh oh, next law/regulation coming!!!!

we are doing this anyway through AMERICAN TAXPAYERS..... deport them all.

"illegal!" "become a citizen!" "go back to mexico and get in line!" really? have you bothered to understand the rules?

the u.s. gives out 675,000 visas per year with a 7% cap per country. that's 47,250 mexicans per year divided up between ones who can get family-sponsered visas, those who can get employement visas based on highly technical and scientific work, and the "other" catagory.

yes, i said mexicans and yes, that's who you are really talking about because i haven't seen a doggone comment up here about the canidians migrating down i-95, stopping in at the carolina pottery in smithfield, on their way to their florida homes.

going "to the back of the line" means waiting about 300 years.

plus deportation is a "civil penalty" according to u.s. law - which is not the same as "criminal." the term "illegal immigrant" is no more accurate than calling you an "illegal driver" because you are going 56mph.

Look at all the liberals here. This is worse than the huffington post.

First: it is against the law for ANYONE to gainfully employ an illegal alien for ANY reason here in the US- Torchhappysean

No, it's not actually.

Check out DACA some time.

Here's a quote from the programs FAQ-

"Every individual who is granted deferred action will be lawfully permitted to work."

Secondly there are procedures in place for them to follow to become legal- TorchhappySean

Not really... you can not apply to become legal, currently, if you are here illegally. So these people who have been here since children would need to self-deport themselves to countries they have no memory of, know nobody in, and may not even speak the language of... then wait TEN YEARS... -then- they have the option to legally apply to come back.

That's insane to expect of anyone raised here since a child.

I've been to Mexico and Canada many, many times, and all I showed was my NC drivers license.-Rebeleye55

Not recently you haven't. Law changed in 09.

hitler dealt with people that were legally in the country. illegals were just taken out & shot. i applaud the differentiation of illegals. pink until green - as in card.

"please explain how an 18 year old who has spent almost all their life here and just wants to go to college and get a job like all her friends is going to destroy this nation......please I'm serious, HOW???"

It shows you can be rewarded for breaking certain laws. We punish people for receiving stolen goods, yet we roll out the red carpet for illegal kids (WIC, welfare, driver licenses, etc.). This undermines respect for any laws.

Take it a step further...If you are younger than 60 and have been on welfare for the majority of your life, you shouldn't have a license at all!!!!!!!! You don't work, so where do you need to go other than the to use your EBT card? Use public transportation for that!

wow... what an Embarrassment!!! Now I know how it feels to live in AZ NiceNSmooth

You got that right baby! These people are still mad that Obama won, not once, but TWICE! With the hispanic population growing all the time, with women standing up for their rights, for gay folks getting married, it must just blow their micro-minds. The only thing left are small pockets of ignorance where conservatives would rather ruin everything rather than have their small minded concept of "real America" challenged and changed.

So, in a obtuse bureaucratic USA, we actually have process where we know a person is not in the country legally and can use a simple little strip to acknowledge it on said persons official identity card. Why do libs want to sweep this knowledge under the rug? If we know it and we're issuing an Official Document, the stripe is the least of their worries. If the laws were enforced, they'd be deported on the spot.

Do libs feel guilty about something or just don't want lawbreakers to feel embarrassed? Come on, it's ok to identify an illegal with a pink stripe. Isn't it gracious enough that we don't deport them?

If you are in the United States illegally - regardless of why - you should be deported. The fact that ANY consideration is given to someone who is knowingly breaking the law is hideous. You are kicking a gift horse in the mouth when you complain about the pink stripe/wording. Call it what it is - you, in fact do NOT have legal status.

please explain how an 18 year old who has spent almost all their life here and just wants to go to college and get a job like all her friends is going to destroy this nation......Grand Union.... Once again you have replaced intelligence with ignorance.. If you actually took the time to check instead of just spewing rhetoric you would had found that First: it is against the law for ANYONE to gainfully employ an illegal alien for ANY reason here in the US. Now in England employment laws are probably diffrent but that's the way it is here..Secondly there are procedures in place for them to follow to become legal... If they do not follow them then for one reason or another then they SHOULD be deported!!! Being here illegally IS a crime and if those who choose to remain here illegally, even with the procedures in place to rectiy this, they should be treated as CRIMINALS the same as everyone else who breaks the law!!!

You can't travel internationally on a NC drivers license. You need an actual passport unless you are on what is known as a "closed loop" cruise.

atheistswillrule March 5, 2013 9:16 a.m____________________I've been to Mexico and Canada many, many times, and all I showed was my NC drivers license. Which is the only two countries I was talking about. For France, italy etc, I've had my passport.

"Why is it OK to distinguish someone who has to wear corrective lenses or someone's BAC (blood alcohol concentration) on their license, but not their immigration status?"

Well if you are supposed to be wearing glasses to drive, and you are not it is a safety issue. Imigration status is not. As for ones BAC ... ... what in the wide world of sports are you talking about. There is no BAC information on ANY driver's license, NC or otherwise. Check your license, you'll never find it as your BAC changes with the alcohol you consume.

Quote from Grand Union: "How is it destroying the nation? please explain how an 18 year old who has spent almost all their life here and just wants to go to college and get a job like all her friends is going to destroy this nation......please I'm serious, HOW???"

Simple, we are not talking about one 18 year old girl. We are talking about MILLIONS. And if you can't see the problem then you are part of the problem. FACT: illegals have bankrupted more than one medical facility/hospital and have cost NC alone millions of dollars every year and the country BILLIONS. How much are we paying these politicians to debate this right now? They should be focused on the problems of legal citizens not the problems of people who should not even be here anyway.

Just be happy you can drive with no more tickets. You can buy a car and have a ID. Stop worrying about the color, it's a start, take it and be happy. Get you licenses, insurance, and nice car.

"How is it destroying the nation? please explain how an 18 year old who has spent almost all their life here and just wants to go to college and get a job like all her friends is going to destroy this nation......please I'm serious, HOW???"

How about the ones who dont want to go to college or get a job? I guess you are saying they are ok to be deported right? Funny how people like you never mention that or the parents of these kids . NO mention of deporting them because that would break up the family, right? You dont think that allowing kids brought here illegally to stay here only encourages more of the same in the future? When do you think our laws should be enforced? At what point? When they no longer vote Dem?

"federal Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals"

==========================================

Very catchy phrase. Almost sounds fair. LOL. Just another song and dance for politicians in fear of losing their power and privilege!!

i call for ban on illegal aliens.

Return to Mexico and get your license with your parents. While you are at it how about applying for legal status along with your parents so you can become a legal immigrant. That is why they brought you here in the first place right ? Wait a minute they were and are criminals in the eyes of every "legal" immigrant and American citizen that has one ounce of common sense. You are no better and the USA owes you nothing . NomoreKoolaid

So do you appologize to American Indians on a daily basis too? You are after all living on their land. Do you pay what's owed them?

This country is made of people who have at one time been here illegally.

Not sure if it's still the same, but travel between US, Mexico and Canada, a NC license was used just like a passport. rebelyell55

You can't travel internationally on a NC drivers license. You need an actual passport unless you are on what is known as a "closed loop" cruise.

If you don't want a pink stripe then don't break federal and state laws by immigrating here illegally and then still have the nerve to ask for a driver's license. They are lucky it's just a pink stripe and not a deportation notice. We should just bus them all to New York State or California. They can get all the "freedoms and liberties" you liberals think they "deserve" in those states. And, the cost to charter a couple thousand buses would actually be much cheaper than giving them and their 7.4 (on average) children undeserved entitlements for the rest of their natural lives.

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