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Dems call for ban on 'pink stripe' licenses

Published: 2013-03-04 18:23:00
Updated: 2013-03-04 19:58:17

House Democrats spoke out Monday in support of a bill prohibiting the state from issuing distinctively marked licenses to young immigrants allowed to be in the U.S. under federal Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program.

DACA allows a two-year block on deportation for immigrants who were brought to the country illegally as children, who are in or have completed school or are in the military and who have no criminal record.  

After DACA was implemented, the state Division of Motor Vehicles asked for an official opinion on the matter from state Attorney General Roy Cooper. 

Once Cooper advised that DACA immigrants are legally eligible for licenses, Transportation Secretary Tony Tata announced he would begin issuing them, but only with a special design that includes a bright pink stripe across the top and with the words "NO LEGAL STATUS" imprinted on them.

House Bill 184 would ban the state from using the special design.

"We are the only state where there's a proposal on the table, supported by the governor, to have this sort of pink stripe" said sponsor Rep. Paul Luebke, D-Durham.

Under Luebke's proposal, licenses for DACA drivers would look like other licenses but would be set to expire at the end of their two-year grace period.

"The solution is simply to realize that these young people are legal," he said. "They should be treated like everyone else." 

Rep. Rick, Glazier, D-Cumberland, said the "pink-stripe license" would stigmatize the holder every time he or she has to produce it. "It serves no legitimate state purpose," he said. 

Millbrook High School graduate Jose Rico has lived in the U.S. for 10 years and would be eligible for a license under DACA.  He called the special license a "scarlet letter."

"The state is outing us, putting us in a box that we are illegal when we do hold legal presence here in this state to work and, now, to drive," Rico said. 

Rabbi John Friedman of Judea Reform Congregation in Durham said he couldn't imagine what supporters of the special license were thinking.

"All I can imagine is that they could not see in the faces of young people like this the faces of their own children," said Friedman. "Would they deny their own children hope?" 

The measure faces long odds in the Republican-dominated legislature. McCrory has called the special license a "pragmatic compromise," saying DACA licenses must be visually distinct to make sure the license holder can't register to vote or access government services.

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if they truly want a license, become a citizen and get it legally- mchljam2

This is currently impossible though.

(without them going back to a country they left as little kids for 10 years).

That's that whole "path to citizenship" thing congress is working on but hasn't passed.

I believe in PINK!!!!

"What would the implications be of having a Drivers license without the strip and attempting to register to vote? I'm tired of watching the invasion of this country go unchecked and even angry at seeing some endorse the invasion to the point of changing the political landscape for their self-serving need. - jeffjohnson123"

Jeff, Jeff, Jeff... must you really bring the BIG PICTURE and the preservation of our nation into the conversation here? //sarcasm

"immigrants who were brought to the country illegally as children, who are in or have completed school or are in the military and who have no criminal record."

No one is saying that these children are bad or that that they themselves did anything wrong. HOWEVER, let's keep in mind that they came/were brought here ILLegally, and through the good graces of the libs, they are given an opportunity to do well, stay out of trouble, and make a life for themselves here LEGALLY without the fear of deportation. Whether a pink stripe is *the best* approach or not, I don't know. Is it demeaning and unreasonable? I don't think so.

Furthermore, if the pink stripe is deemed demeaning then how about an orange or green or purple or brown stripe?

REALLY?? this shouldn't even be an issue, these people are still breaking the law by being here illegally. I understand they were brought as children, but if they truly want a license, become a citizen and get it legally. As for a "pink stripe" get over it!!

What's the difference in the pink strip compared to a person under age having red or yellow borders or being vertical for a permit. If you don't like it get to stepping. If the lawmakers can't listen to the people that put them in office step down and let someone who will listen step in

I stand corrected, there is BAC limits on licenses. If you get a DWI or other alcohol impairment driving offense, they can lower the limit of what is acceptable because you have been caught before. But again, drunk driving is not the same as being brought to the US as a child. It is a criminal offense brought on by ones lack of respect for life. GravyPig

To be fair, being an illegal alien is ALSO a criminal offense.... further, corrective lenses, or being under 21, are NOT and yet they had special license markings for THOSE things too.

So again, what's the problem exactly?

What would the implications be of having a Drivers license without the strip and attempting to register to vote? I'm tired of watching the invasion of this country go unchecked and even angry at seeing some endorse the invasion to the point of changing the political landscape for their self-serving need.

Remember liberals have to complain, it is the only way they can be heard now. They have to look after their base voters, you know the ones riding the entitlement train. It is shameful that this and voter id is taking so much valuable time in state government. Pass both of these issues and move on!!!!

"Dems call for ban on 'pink stripe' licenses"

Surprise, surprise, surprise-------NOT!!!

It is NOT a scarlet letter branded on their forehead. I see it as necessary to identify them as someone who is not privy to all the benefits that are afforded to American citizens while allowing them identification and priviledges that our President has bestowed upon them and THOSE priviledges ONLY.

No driver's licenses for illegals.....PERIOD!!!! GU

"Look at all the liberals here. This is worse than the huffington post." - z-gurl

By my count most folks seem to be rather vocal that they want those darn illegals gone and support labeling them.

""Why is it OK to distinguish someone who has to wear corrective lenses or someone's BAC (blood alcohol concentration) on their license, but not their immigration status?"

I stand corrected, there is BAC limits on licenses. If you get a DWI or other alcohol impairment driving offense, they can lower the limit of what is acceptable because you have been caught before. But again, drunk driving is not the same as being brought to the US as a child. It is a criminal offense brought on by ones lack of respect for life.

Click on the link to read about US citizens murdered by illegal aliens in the US.

http://ojjpac.org/memorial.asp

How about pink stripes on all registered democracts licenses?

I like pink. What a wonderful color. How can I get it on my license?? :)

Wah, wah, wah.

The pink stripe "could" be used as a highlighter (since the licenses DO actually expire); so when the license is produced and the stripe is seen it would then lead to checking the date of expiration.

Otherwise, if they're the same as "regular licenses" and they're asked to produce a license... They'll claim discrimination because law enforcement asked to check the date.

You can't win for losing. Send them all back

It's not a visa. It's not a passport. It's not a Key to the City. It's a driver's license, doggone it! Nothing about that pink stripe will prevent the person to whom it is issued from driving. Got it?

Slap the pink strip on it! You libs need to suck it up!

I don't think these illegal alians should get a license in the first place; but if this will keep them from registering to vote as Democrats, I'm all for it.

Idestefano63, a pink strip is not going to stop anyone from payin insurance, registration, or inspecions. It is not needed for that reason. I think the DMV computer system will keep up with that as it does now for everyone. The pink strip is useless and just a stigma for those with it on their licenses. In this state, I know that these people will be treated differently by those that see it- that is just how NC is. As stated no other state is using the pink stripe.

Driving is a privilege, not a right - you have to earn it just like you have to earn becoming an American citizen. The pink stripe needs to stay so that those getting these licenses can be checked up on to make sure they are keeping up with their insurance, paying their registration, their inspections and the taxes on the car just like all the rest of us legal citizens. If they get stopped then most likely they are doing something wrong just like anybody else who gets stopped but at that point like every one else their status of insurance and inspection and registration can be validated. Again It is a privilege not a right so if they're not playing by the rules in registration, insurance and taxes then then should have the license revoked.

Don't want anybody knowing where those illegal voters are!! Givew me a break!!

WE must know who are citizens and who are not-DUH!!!

This NC Governor and legislature care nothing about anybody but themselves and their rich friends. There is no eartly reason to stigmatize these young people and that is what the pink strip does. These elected republicans are heartless and useless.

My bet is if the "illegals" were large supporters of the GOP....the political parties roles would be reversed...the DEMS would want voter ID..and the GOP would be against it ,,correct?? Though I agree...you need to be "legal"....

"All I can imagine is that they could not see in the faces of young people like this the faces of their own children," said Friedman. "Would they deny their own children hope?"

Good grief, nobody is denying anyone of their "hope". As "illegal" citizens, they're already being allowed to get a license. All that is being asked, is that they pursue their legal citizenship in the proper amount of time granted. If they truly want to be here as U.S. citizens, that should not be an issue at all. These "children" are of legal driving age or this would not even be a discussion.

"The state is outing us, putting us in a box that we are illegal when we do hold legal presence here in this state to work and, now, to drive," Rico said.

Wonder if he is one of those with a sign saying "OUT OF THE SHADOWS AND PROUD" or supports those that are? If he is, he has no reason to be griping about the drivers license.

"do you appologize to American Indians "

You mean the Siberian invader tribes that stole the land from the Vikings?

Can someone please explain the major point of having these people given the scarlet letter? If they get stopped for speeding will an LEO treat them differently?

This will do nothing but #1 make the people who interact with theses people treat them differently and #2 cost the state money.

"what happened to you that made you so hateful of children? Grand Union"

Some of these "children" are 31 years old.

Let's see...hmmm, if I go to Mexico I have to have my official documents at all times and their government would never give me any even semi-official ID that might be confused with one of their citizens...go figure...I like the pink stripe...it is distinctive...

"The Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 states that if you entered illegally, and have been here for 1 year or longer, you are banned for 10 years."

Why is it being disregarded? Oh wait, the Kenyan has two illegal relatives, one a drunk driver, living quite openly in this country.

"They should be treated like everyone else..."

Ok...let's see. We have licenses coded for persons who are provisional drivers. We have license coded for persons who are under 21. We have codes on licenses that say what type of car we're able to drive, or if we need glasses or contacts, or if we can only drive during the day. Thanks so much for following the rules, here's your license. If you continue to follow the rules you can become a US citizen and get another one. Have a nice day.

I'm not seeing the huge problem here.

"If you were in their shoes, how would you feel about being labeled an illegal alien when you had no control ..."

I'd accept it as the law of the country I was living in and change the circumstances of my life if it bothered me that much. But I'm not a lib, nor a "person of color" who's been told the world owes her.

The boldness of these latinas - because it's mostly girls and women getting up in front of mics and cameras - tells me they're plenty aggressive enough to take what's someone else's. Don't feel too sorry for them.

At some point, you'd think one of them would snarl, "Thanks."

Wheelman...Your comment +1

We're not talking about elementary aged children here. I understand that it is not their fault that they were born here or brought here illegally by their parents. However, by the time they are of age to get a license, I do not find it unreasonable to ask for them to go through the process to obtain legal citizenship. They are already given amnesty, so having a way to identify that they have gone through the process to obtain citizenship should not be considered unfair. So what if it's a pink stripe. If a colored stripe is that much of a burden or embarrassment, maybe it will urge them to complete the process more quickly. Something needs to be done, and in the grand scheme of things, having a pink stripe on identification that is typically only shown on occasion is a pretty minor inconvenience.

This flap over the poor, poor illegals who just had no choice EVER bolsters the GOP argument that voter ID is necessary. The libs don't want anyone to need ID, and if it's got to be shown, they want it indistinguishable from that of a legal citizen.

"goldenosprey - Not Xenophobic- Very happy that they will have a license - Think it is a good step forward for them, but they are NOT legal, so it does need to be identified in some way." momeeee

I have no problem with putting a distinctive mark (pink is a bit much) on the license to indicate they have a specific legal status. They do not have citizenship, but they do have a legal status.

""Would they deny their own children hope?" - Friedman

No, 0bama's taken care of that with his giving OUR country away.

""The state is outing us, putting us in a box that we are illegal..." whiny, lazy, ungrateful boy

No, that's what the state SHOULD do.

Don't like it? Go BACK to Mexico.

JustAName::::American Indians didn't believe in land ownership, so they didn't lose any land.

No, they just lost their lives, their belongings, their children, their dignity, and everything else because the White people wanted the land and would do whatever it took to get it. You should read up on things like that before you start making that kind of comment.

These illegal criminal aliens need some kind of notation on that DL to make sure they don't vote. I do think the dems would balk at anything denoting that, because they would give up those votes. Whether it's a pink stripe or a green circle, something needs to be added.

goldenosprey - Not Xenophobic- Very happy that they will have a license - Think it is a good step forward for them, but they are NOT legal, so it does need to be identified in some way.

DACA does not involve being legal, or becoming legal, AT ALL....junkmail5...."Individuals who have deferred action status can apply for employment authorization and are in the U.S. under color of law"... So based on this it allows people who are deferred to apply for a WORK PERMIT... Well lets see... When work permits are issued they are assigned a tax ID number aren't they?? THIS is part of the proper procedure that I mentioned to begin with!!!

"No, at the very least (which is 99% of the time) you DO NOT GET CAUGHT... and you get where you are going faster. Which is a benefit."

More flawed logic. This discussion is about those who have been 'caught' or are known to be in this country illegally. We ignore the law when it relates to to their status and dole out privileges regardless. It's illegal to ask their status and likely that sort of violation would be punished. But I guess you still don't see the difference.

Its not like they will have to show them to anyone. Dems are against showing ID

Pretty in Pink !

The difference is I'm not rewarded if I drive over the speed limit. At the very least, I get a warning and that still isn't a benefit.- AtALost

No, at the very least (which is 99% of the time) you DO NOT GET CAUGHT... and you get where you are going faster. Which is a benefit.

"ILLEGAL - this means something. And if you KNOW you're breaking the law, why not do something about it? Leave or become legal! Until that time, don't dare complain." - Native NC gal

So are you saying that if you were brought here as a child, grew up here, went to school here, work here, and that you would be happy to leave the only country you know because you were an illegal alien? I don't think so. I think you would be right there on the other side of this issue fighting to stay and continue to become a productive member of society. Remeber, the folks they are talking about are not ALL illegals, only the ones who are part of the DREAM program.

Really, what on earth is a child supposed to do if its parents take it into the US??????

If their parents are squatting in a home and they are caught, they don't just remove the parents and leave the kids squatting in the home. But I get that they're here through no fault of their own. My issue is that we're not preventing them from breaking in to begin with and we're so liberal with our benefits. If it was a home, they'd install better security and have stiffer penalties for repeat offenders (3 strikes, etc.). Instead, we focus on making everyone feel comfortable while our humanitarian efforts are exploited.

this is the edge of a very slippery slope , first it's children of criminal immigrants , then it's the criminal immigrants themselves , at present we have no idea who has crossed our boarders, we cannot feed and cloth , and provide free eduction and medical care for every person in this world that wants a better life ,(set aside the fact that they are criminals by breaking the law.)by allowing some to stay without fear of criminal charges or deportation , we are signaling to the world that our laws only apply when it's convenient. (for votes). what type of message are we sending the people that are trying to immigrate in a legal manner , we are telling them it's easier to just break the law and come on in.

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