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Climate change denier behind Public Staff bill?

Posted March 27, 2013

— A proposal to muzzle the Public Staff of the state Utilities Commission grew out of an email exchange between a staff attorney and noted climate change denier John Droz.

The sponsor, Rep. George Cleveland, R-Onslow, a friend of Droz, didn’t mention that detail Wednesday in a hearing on the legislation.

House Bill 280 reached the House floor last week after it sped through Cleveland’s own State Personnel Committee, only to be intercepted by House leadership and re-referred to the Utilities Committee.

Cleveland told the Utilities Committee the bill “is designed to have the Public Staff actually represent the folks that they’re charged to represent – the using and consuming public.”

“Presently, the Public Staff follows and works toward the administration’s positions or the legislative intent of the legislature – or what they deem as legislative intent,” Cleveland explained. “This bill will require that they concentrate on the using and consuming public."

Committee members were confused about the intent of the bill and its effects on the Public Staff, the division of the Utilities Commission that represents the public interest in rate cases.

“I was under the impression the group they represented is the using and consuming public,” said Rep. Ruth Samuelson, R-Mecklenburg. 

“Presently, the public staff does not do that,” Cleveland responded. “Their focus is on what they think is legislative or administrative intent.”

“But the legislators are elected by the consuming public,” Samuelson said.

“I’ve been here a long time,” Cleveland replied, “and you and I both know many things get passed in the General Assembly that are not really in the interest of the using and consuming public.”

Rep. Nelson Dollar, R-Wake, said he had worked with the Public Staff during his time at the Department of Commerce. “They were extremely professional, extremely proficient. They were one of the best groups I worked with,” he said.

He expressed concern about the subjective nature of the “best interest” of the public. “Who is going to make that judgment?” Dollar asked. “Is it just going to be folks’ opinion? Who governs that?”

Vague on details

Dollar asked for examples of situations that would have constituted violations of the proposed bill.

Cleveland said he “couldn’t give exact details” but had been personally involved in two such incidents: one involving the raising of fees several years ago, and more recently, “some wind energy hearings that they held.“

Asked again for more detail, Cleveland offered a quote from an email he said “was sent to me some some time ago.”

“The Public Staff does not have the right to advocate positions contrary to those mandated by the General Assembly,” he read. “They’re representing legislative intent or administrative desires.”

Rep. Harry Warren, R-Rowan, asked Cleveland to consider tabling the bill until the committee could get more information on the problem.

Cleveland reluctantly agreed. The bill could resurface at a later hearing.

The committee also heard testimony from Robert Gruber, the 30-year executive director of the Public Staff, who said the agency’s duties are clearly outlined in statute already.

“I think we’ve tried to be professional over the years,” Gruber said. “I’ve never heard anybody say we’ve acted in a political manner at the behest of any administration.”

“If it’s not broke, don’t fix it,” he advised. ”I don’t know exactly what the problem the bill’s trying to correct is.”

The origin of H280

The genesis of the bill, Cleveland later confirmed, was an email exchange between Public Staff attorney Tim Dodge and wind energy opponent Droz of the American Tradition Institute, a climate change denial think tank.

WRAL News obtained the emails through a public records request.

In the exchange, which went from January through August 2012, Droz repeatedly questioned why the Public Staff was not following the Maine Public Staff, which recently spoke against expansion of wind generation because it had the potential to increase consumer energy prices.

North Carolina’s Public Staff did not take that position in recent discussions of a legislative requirement for utilities here to develop renewable energy portfolios.

A member of the Public Staff, Kennie Ellis, gave testimony at a December 2011 presentation about a wind energy project. In his remarks, he did not speak out against the project. That appears to be what provoked Droz’s ire.

For months, Droz badgered Dodge with rambling, condescending, sometimes strange messages. "Your answer to Comment #5: is unsatisfactory," he wrote in one reply. He complained when Dodge did not respond, copying more than a dozen legislators, including leaders in both chambers. Cleveland was always first on the list.

On April 18, 2012, Cleveland intervened on Droz’s behalf.

“Mr. Dodge," he wrote, “I have also been patiently waiting for your reply to Mr. Droz’s questions. I believe he has raised some very valid points as to the operation of the NCUC Public Staff that I would like answered.”

In an April 26 email, Dodge offered to meet with Cleveland “and talk about what issues you feel have not been addressed in my comments,” but it’s not clear whether any such meeting ever happened.  

Cleveland is a well-known supporter of Droz. Earlier this session, he sent House members an invitation to a Feb. 6 lecture by Droz in the legislative auditorium.

It appears that state Secretary of the Environment and Natural Resources John Skvarla shares Cleveland’s appreciation of Droz. He also sent an email invitation to Droz’s lecture to his entire agency, notifying them of the “optional” event.

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  • aaprjohn Mar 29, 9:42 a.m.

    Interesting how this story is a complete distortion of the reality of the situation.

    There is only one issue here: does the Public Staff represent the interest of the public, first and foremost?

    In several cases they have not.

    H280 was intended to clarify what their statutory obligation is.

    That's all there is to it, nothing more.

  • for the people Mar 28, 9:50 a.m.

    the gop needs to get on board with climate change, quickly. the economic disaster looming as a result of climate change will make the cost of wars, recessions, extreme liberal social policies seems like monopoly money in comparison.

    the fact that republicans resent al gore, and the extreme right wing lunatic press has highjacked the climate change message is not helping.

  • Bill Brasky Mar 28, 8:57 a.m.

    "Oh Heaven forfend we have someone who doesn't worship at the altar of Saint Algore and his Holy proclamations about global warming."

    Well Al Gore is not a scientist, but he did awaken the American public to the realization of Climate Change. However, scientists had known of the trends for decades, long before Al Gore entered politics.

  • dwbenfield Mar 28, 6:55 a.m.

    reynoljh said - "I hope the legislators have enough sense to call on and listen to some real scientists instead of this quack. If they don't, the state is going down."
    Are you kidding? These are ideaological, Tea-Party Republicans you're talking about here! Science? Ain't nobody got time for that!

  • jeffdewitt Mar 27, 11:55 p.m.

    Oh Heaven forfend we have someone who doesn't worship at the altar of Saint Algore and his Holy proclamations about global warming.

    Fact of the matter is those windmills are NOT the most cost effective way of generating electricity. If the public staff was really looking out for those of us who actually pay the bills THAT'S what they would be concerned about, not chasing windmills.

  • rosannedisney Mar 27, 7:43 p.m.

    I can't believe there are still people who don't get that the climate is being affected by our destructive choices. Sadly, by the time they can't deny it there won't be a thing they can do about it.

  • reynoljh Mar 27, 6:27 p.m.

    Droz = Charlatan: I hope the legislators have enough sense to call on and listen to some real scientists instead of this quack. If they don't, the state is going down.