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'Back to Basics' bill would require cursive writing instruction

Published: 2013-02-21 17:11:00
Updated: 2013-02-21 23:40:35

Lawmakers are hoping to reverse course on a recent education trend in which cursive handwriting instruction is abandoned in favor of other instructional topics.

Dubbed the "Back to Basics" bill, House Bill 146 would require public schools to add two traditional instructional elements back to their curricula: cursive writing and learning the multiplication tables. 

Specifically, the bill would require instruction "so that students create readable documents through legible cursive handwriting by the end of fifth grade." It would also require students to "memorize multiplication tables to demonstrate competency in efficiently multiplying numbers."

Local education officials have said cursive writing is falling out of the curriculum to make room for other subjects required by new "common core" standards being put in place. 

Rachel Beaulieu, the legislative liaison for the N.C. Department of Public Instruction, said her agency hasn't reviewed the bill and didn't have a comment on it.

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junkmail5 -- here ya go!

http://davidsortino.blogs.pressdemocrat.com/10036/intelligence-and-the-lost-art-of-cursive-writing/

So is Japanese and Chinese caligraphy. But these classes are taught at the college level for credit.-timexliving

but not in standard grade-school.

Which is the point.

""cursive" (an antiquated, outdated, useless type of script)" junkmail5

So is Japanese and Chinese caligraphy. But these classes are taught at the college level for credit. In America you'll have a greater chance of using cursive writing than caligraphy.

"Typical conservative thinking; let's force schools to teach requirements in things that are no longer in use." Bendal1

Just because you don't use multiplication tables at your fast food, drive through job, doesn't mean the rest of us don't. Multiplication is at the core of all mathematics that follow it. You can't do trigonemtry or calculus without it. Those are two branches of math that make our high tech society possible.

So many brain processes develop when one learns to write old-fashioned cursive.-thewayitis

If that was posted to Wikipedia it would have [citation needed] right after it.

Wow, there are a lot of cursive haters. Must have failed handwriting, LOL. BTW, handwriting was the only subject for which I got a bad grade in elementary school. Still, I think handwriting and cursive are very important. So many brain processes develop when one learns to write old-fashioned cursive. If schools would bring back cursive in early grades, I bet we'd see a lot fewer diagnoses for dysgraphia, dyslexia, etc with huge cost savings in school budgets.

The educated people in the world are still learning to write cursive, memorizing multiplication tables, and yes, learning Latin. Go check out your nearest elite, expensive, private school.

While I can understand why some may think cursive is not important, it boggles my mind that anybody thinks that kids shouldn't learn multiplication tables. Until one memorizes basic math facts, one will never be able to advance in math. Memorization of math facts allows for speed in solving problems.

Typical conservative thinking; let's force schools to teach requirements in things that are no longer in use. When will they start requiring horseback riding and how to split a rail, too? How about how to make a buggy whip? Cursive handwriting is no longer needed for anything; if the concern is "omg computers may fail us one day" then teach printing; at least everyone else can read that.

If I don't print you can't read it.. And obviously pathetic people care about frivolous things and never seek a higher mindset.

My thoughts exactly, all the sheep who think that is an impossibility are drinking too much koolaid. Handwriting is a necessary tool, Offshore

Not sure what you yourself are drinking, but you seem to have confused "cursive" (an antiquated, outdated, useless type of script) with "writing"... a skill still taught in schools.

Likewise, they still teach reading in all schools... just not in Latin or other dead languages.

But again- if your best argument is something like "If an EMP takes out all electricity we'll need to be able to write loopy letters" your argument is pretty terrible.

LOL...power grid goes down and no one has electricity----cursive comes in real handy.. original intent

My thoughts exactly, all the sheep who think that is an impossibility are drinking too much koolaid. Handwriting is a necessary tool,

what's dumb is that the house things that they are qualified to make decisions like this. let's leave the educating to the educators.

Let's teach cursive and go away from computers...those things are bad!

This has got to be one of the dumbest things I have ever seen.

While I think it should be taught, I have to agree that it is not a requirement for a legal signature. A signature is your mark, it can be just an X or a very fancy cursive rendering. Just need to use whatever it is consistently.

There is nothing more romantic than recieving a true love letter from your sweetheart when you are many miles away in uniform. To be written in cursive, signed and mildly fragrant, nothing can replace this art form. The most technology it takes is a pen and paper (and hopefully, a functioning post office). Forget e-mail, video, chat. The handwritten letter, even from a pen pal, is a remarkable treasure. There will be plenty of time later to learn to read between cold, machine printed lines. Let's get the kids going while their minds are fresh before we burden them greater tasks. Oh - and let's have them learn to tie their shoes, too. Hook and loop is fine, but not at the expense of fine motor skills, okay?

cursive is NOT REQUIRED for a legal signature.

That is what lazy people think.- charmcclainlovesdogs2

it's also what people who actually know the law think.

Apparently you're too lazy to verify that your assumption that it's required is wrong. Go figure!

"cursive is NOT REQUIRED for a legal signature.

That is what lazy people think. Go figure!"

No! that is fact, whether lazy people grasp it or others. I knew a guy with an Anglo name whose legal signature on court documents was the Arabic rendering of his nickname. OMG! I know at least two lawyers who sign pleadings with no more than a circle with a squiggly line.

And have you seen Sec Treas Jack Lew's siggy? You may not like him because he is an Obama appointee but the Harvard and Georgetown Law grad is no dolt.

Yep,, They'll be able to link their letters together with curly little lines but will be dysfunctional, mentally disturbed, ignorant , and filled with backward thinking patterns. I'm sure the ability to link letters together with curly lines will serve them much better than some psychological understanding about human nature and abnormal thinking.

With the exception of my signature which is not really legible, I haven't used cursive writing since I was in 3rd grade during 1972. I can still write in block print and read just fine. The time required to teach a student cursive could be better spent on many other things. Parents that feel it is important to know cursive should teach their own children. Maybe that child can then get a job teaching cursive as an ancient art form.

"so no one else is concerned that our lawmakers are overstepping their bounds here?"

I am, but this is hardly the most egregious trampling of rights these days.

" cursive writing teaches more than pretty writing. It teaches discipline and attention to detail."

ANY writing assignment taught properly should do that, without resorting wasting class time on antiquities.

cursive is NOT REQUIRED for a legal signature.

That is what lazy people think. Go figure!

Cursive writing and multiplication tables are great, but personally I'm in favor of teaching the children in school to THINK. Chances are that my 8 year old is not going to get through school not knowing multiplication, but if she doesn't learn how to read between the lines and take what knowledge she is given to make an educated decision it won't matter if she can write a letter in pretty penmanship, because she'll just be saying what everyone else is telling her she should say.

Everyone in this day and age should know how to cursive write. Some where along the line you will have to sign something in your adult life- charmcclainlovesdogs2

and as at least 3 different people have already explained in this thread, cursive is NOT REQUIRED for a legal signature.

Perhaps instead we should teach reading comprehension, since people keep bringing up this totally wrong point without having read the last several times their error was pointed out?

The purpose of both printing and writing your name is to ensure that the name can be read. Many signatures are illegible. A printed signature would be no less unique than a cursive one. Individuals can create their own signature from any style of writing.

False dichotomy.

There are more choices than just "cursive" and "x."

Who is writing a check???

I still write check because I do not have a computer not do I trust to put certain information on them. I don't have to do what everyone else is doing regardless if it is 2013. But one thing is for sure, some where in your life, you will have to sign your name. Printing your name is not the same. A first grader can do that.

"What century are you from??? What child today has a checkbook?? Who is writing a check??? Good lord.... I am willing to bet that mult. facts are still being taught today. But, the cursive?? Waste of time! exteacher"

Certainly is a good thing that you're an EX teacher!!!!!

Everyone in this day and age should know how to cursive write. Some where along the line you will have to sign something in your adult life. There is a difference in printing and writing your name. You don't want to put an "X" to stand for your name.

No. The Common Core requires multiplication and division fluency under 100 by the end of third grade - two years earlier than this bill.

If the sponsors of the bill were familiar with state curricula, they'd know that.

so no one else is concerned that our lawmakers are overstepping their bounds here?

"add ... back learning the multiplication tables. "

Did they really stop teaching multiplication tables?????

And - cursive writing teaches more than pretty writing. It teaches discipline and attention to detail.

LOL...power grid goes down and no one has electricity----cursive comes in real handy.. original intent

You can't write in regular print without power?

Hint: When your only argument in favor of something is this silly you should probably give up your argument.

Hallelujah! Finally some common sense!

Cursive writing is an art form like calligraphy. As a communication tool, cursive writing was abandoned because of its vast variation and ability to become misunderstood. The majority of English communication takes place in type or block print, which is very difficult to misunderstand. All technical documentation is written in block print, in order to avoid any mistakes which could occur with cursive writing.

This debate is symbolic of the overall debate going on in our country. Are we going to long for a return to the "good ol' days" (only good if you were a part of the groups that weren't discriminated against)or are we going to adapt to a changing world? Everything moves forward; fighting to hold on to the past never has never succeeded. We'll adjust quickly or learn our lesson slowly and painfully, but the world will move forward.

Heh Heh...After that EMP bomb goes off you'd better be able to write and do math without any electronic aids.

LOL...power grid goes down and no one has electricity----cursive comes in real handy..

"Excellent!!! Kids need cursive writing. If you can't write it, you probably can't read it. It's a disgrace for Americans not to be able to read their own Constitution. Those complaining are probably too lazy to put pen to paper. " samjwebb

Terrible! No one besides honey_pot needs cursive writing. And once and for all, you don't need to write it to be able to read it anymore than you have to be able to render Times New Roman or Courier to read it!!! When Americans read their own Constitution they read a typed version, they don't go to Archives in DC to sit there and read it. You don't need to know ancient Greek or Hebrew or Aramaic to read a Bible!

It's embarrassing we are even considering this. It is local school district business if they want to perpetuate pastoral living. Next the Honorables will want to teach kids to type on Underwoods with ribbons and white-Out.

http://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-by-era/creating-new-government/resources/two-versions-preamble-constitution-1787

Please!!!We need cursive writing. I dread the day when a computer crashes and someone starts scribbling notes in the office using bold printed letters on post it notes!! Eliminating cursive writing is the equivalent of stripping away a part of ones unique personality.

CURSIVE WRITING NOW AND FOREVER!!!!!

The Constitution was not written in cursive! And even if it were, they have digitized it and made it widely available. IF you have ever read it, you must have read it in that format yourself, since you weren't aware the original was in cursive.

I am constantly amazed at how people have no qualms about posting something very judgmental without having a cursory knowledge of the facts of the matter.

Also, I'm really disturbed by the number of people who apparently honestly believe it is impossible to do multiplication and division without memorizing the tables.

it TOTALLY makes more sense for the NC House to decide the curriculum for students instead of, i don't know, the local education officials.

because as we all know, in order to be a member of the house in NC, you're required to be a professional educator or administrator. oops - no? the only requirements are to be over 21, a voter, and a resident of your district for at least 1 year.

"At my current job I often have to read hand written documents going all the way back to the 1950's where cursive was wide spread, how could I do my job if I didn't have this knowledge?"

In the rare event an adult who cannot read cursive encounters a job where they need to be able to read cursive, then they learn to read cursive. We are rapidly reaching a point where the only purpose for learning cursive is to read archival texts. There is no reason to teach every child to write cursive for the sole purpose of filling the few jobs where reading cursive is a required skill. Also, an inability to write in cursive does not equal an lack of ability to read cursive. My cursive writing is terrible, but I have no trouble reading early American texts.

Excellent!!! Kids need cursive writing. If you can't write it, you probably can't read it. It's a disgrace for Americans not to be able to read their own Constitution. Those complaining are probably too lazy to put pen to paper. Try exercising your brain with reciting the mutiplication table. Excellent cognitive workout.

The last time I've written or read cursive was when I was learning it in school. We should teach this as an elective only.

" I think many of the comments I've read are pure ignorant! I am in my twenties and was taught cursive in school. At my current job I often have to read hand written documents going all the way back to the 1950's where cursive was wide spread, how could I do my job if I didn't have this knowledge?" honey-pot

First, you have a peculiar job. Others with peculiar jobs, like clergy, rabbis, imams etc. have to learn old languages or old forms of languages the rest of us don't. Second cursive is not cuneiform or cyrillic, it just our regular language all loopy and connected together. The few who need/want to sharpen this can do it post-secondary or optionally, along with basket-weaving and sock-darning.

I think many of the comments I've read are pure ignorant! I am in my twenties and was taught cursive in school. At my current job I often have to read hand written documents going all the way back to the 1950's where cursive was wide spread, how could I do my job if I didn't have this knowledge?

Let's also add some abacus instruction as well.

1 word - Backwards

I am really excited that the Americans still want to concentrate on Curvise - The Chinese.

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